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StephanieVanbryce

09/19/14 5:05 PM

#228426 RE: PegnVA #228425

yes, and that's Iraq. I was just trying to find out what was going on in Mosul ... and instead I ended up reading it's history in Wikipedia .. (not even close to finishing, but wow! ) .. .And the Iraqis and with our 'help' are going to take this back from 'them;?


200,000 population
Mosul, Iraq



Saddam Hussein's sons Qusay and Uday were killed in a gun battle in Mosul on July 22, 2003

Soldiers of the Army's 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault) fire a TOW missile at a building suspected of harboring Saddam Hussein's sons Qusay and Uday in Mosul, Iraq, on July 22, 2003. Qusay and Uday were killed in a gun battle as they resisted efforts by coalition forces to apprehend and detain them.

check this one out! .. I hope it's not Mosul.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/Deuce_Four_soldier.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosul#mediaviewer/File:Defense.gov_News_Photo_030722-A-3450H-043.jpg

Everything is found here. I do not see how Iraq could ever get Mosul back. And if we help wreck this place anymore than we already have...It will be a huge tragedy. UNLESS the Sunni's decide that is what they want to happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosul#Religion
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fuagf

09/19/14 6:34 PM

#228429 RE: PegnVA #228425

Shiite Militias of Iraq Reject US Return, Threaten to Attack US Forces

Containment is the way to go for now. Early formation of al-Abadi's National Guard Force incorporating Sunnis is a crucial
quick do. Massive air strikes, or an 'invasion', would be a disaster. As long as Obama is there i don't think that will happen.


By Juan Cole | Sep. 18, 2014 |

The pan-Arab, London-based daily, “Al-Sharq al-Awsat” (The Middle East) reports .. http://classic.aawsat.com/details.asp?section=4&article=787548&issueno=13078 .. that the major Shiite militias of Iraq are denouncing Prime Minister Haydar al-Abadi for welcoming US air support in the fight against the so-called Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).

Prime Minister al-Abadi himself rejected conventional US ground troops for Iraq on Wednesday .. http://news.yahoo.com/ap-interview-iraq-premier-says-no-foreign-troops-134747998.html, even as Gen. Dempsey said that they might ultimately be necessary. The militias are going further, saying Yankees go Home altogether.

Hamza Mustafa reports from Baghdad that Hadi al-Amiri, head of the Iran-backed Badr Corps, warned that the American plan is to take credit for the victories of the Iraqi armed forces and the popular militias. He called for a rejection of the plan and dependence solely on Iraqi military and paramilitary to defeat ISIL. The Badr Brigades are the paramilitary arm of the Islamic Supreme Council of Iraq (ISCI), led by Shiite cleric Sayyid Ammar al-Hakim. Al-Hakim condemned the exclusion of Iran .. http://rudaw.net/english/opinion/180920141 .. from the international coalition opposing ISIL. The new foreign minister, Ibrahim al-Jafari also objected to the exclusion of Iran .. http://www.newsabah.com/wp/newspaper/19356. His party, the National Reform Trend, is close to al-Sadr.

The Bloc of the Free (al-Ahrar) led by Shiite cleric Sayyid Muqtada al-Sadr called on al-Abadi to reject the US plan. Muqtada al-Sadr warned the US against trying to reoccupy Iraq and threatened .. http://tinyurl.com/nltlxfd, “If you return, we will return.” This was a reference to his Mahdi Army, which had subsided in importance after the US withdrawal. Muqtada boasted that the militia had inflicted heavy casualties on US troops and forced the US out. He also said that if the Mahdi Army “Peace Brigades” discovered an American presence in any province where they were fighting ISIL, they should immediately withdraw from the fight. (For the US Air Force to give close air support to Iraqi troops, there have to be US Special Operations forces on the ground to paint lasers on the targets and to coordinate with the Iraqi Army).

Asa’ib Ahl al-Haqq (Gangs of the People of Truth) also condemned al-Abadi for welcoming foreign intervention.

The Shiite militias appear to have been key to the breaking of the siege of Amerli, where ISIL had planned to massacre the 20,000 Turkmen Shiites living there. The US did give close air support to them and the Iraqi Army, which they didn’t seem to mind at the time. But now they are all rejecting any US involvement. It is not clear that the Iraqi Army, which suffers from low morale, bad training and corruption, can do the job against ISIL by itself, without the aid of the militias.

Al-Sharq al-Awsat reports an anonymous Iraqi politician as saying that former prime minister Nouri al-Maliki made a mistake when he continued to rely on the militias and did not take advantage of the fatwa/ religious legal ruling of Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani in favor of the regular Iraqi Army to build it up and take recruits away from the militias.

It is difficult to tell how serious these militia leaders’ pronouncements are, since they might be attempting to save face with their followers even as they benefit from the US air cover. On the other hand, Asa’ib Ahl al-Haqq actually did in the past kidnap US troops, and the Mahdi Army fought them tooth and nail in spring of 2004, inflicting high casualties on them. Since President Obama’s air campaign requires Special Ops forces like Navy Seals or Green Berets to be on the ground with the Iraqi Army, they should apparently watch their backs. The people they are trying to help against ISIL don’t seem to appreciate their being there. And many of them seem to prefer Iran’s help.

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Related video

from a couple of months ago: The Telegraph: “Iraq Shia militias mobilise in face of threat from Sunni-led jihadists .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-6nsqUjDJ8&feature=youtu.be”



http://www.juancole.com/2014/09/shiite-militias-threaten.html