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BullNBear52 -- in school (decades ago) I always sat silent through the pledge, for precisely that reason -- nobody commands me to acknowledge that I am or this country (or anything else) is "under God" -- this is nothing new, and those challenging the "under God" (which was not in the original pledge, added only by religious-right types in the 1950s [in large part true also of the same on currency]) are right, absolutely correct, under the Constitution -- period

if we lived in a country where religious believers genuinely did generally understand and respect that their religious beliefs are not to be codified in law and enforced by the government, as is what is required by our Constitution, that might arguably be a de minimus kind of thing -- but we don't

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C'mon - if i were the child i would really appreciate my parents standing up for me ..

"Or just maybe it's their stupid parents and lawyers who are marginalizing the kids."

isn't that a bit much when you don't know the families, at all? .. heh, any pledge, or national anthem to me, would have soon felt .. gawd .. 'enough!' .. enough brainwashing .. yeah yeah i get the idea .. that's what i would have felt .. it's authoritarian, isn't it? .. anyway, while growing up in Canada .. if we had to ..

knh959 answered 4 years ago
Capitalgang is right about the Oath to the Queen. However only military and government workers are required to take that oath. Children in school as an example don't start their school day with the oath of allegiance. In my day we sang O Canada and recited the lord's prayer in the morning and ended the school day singing God Save the Queen. Those traditions have long since passed into history - https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100219141059AAamfuH

as some obviously did, i would have felt it brainwashing, would have resented it as an infringement on my personal space, and would have applauded it's disappearance .. lol, guess the fact i don't recall it, or not, just now could mean either .. i didn't do it .. my friends and i had fun with it .. lol, like these ..

In third/second grade, we always recited the pledge of allegiance before first period. In the part which says 'For which it stands', everyone would say 'For Richard Stanz', convinced that the chant was a dedication to some guy named Richard Stanz. Once day, there was a visitor who came to our school whose name was Rick Stantse, and he was plagued with questions about the pledge.

TAsciusKL@Fu - http://www.iusedtobelieve.com/school/the_pledge/the_pledge_s1.php

or that i was put into it and don't recall it because i haven't talked about it .. or thought about it,
since .. maybe my opposition to that stuff started in Canadian schools .. honestly, can't remember ..