re: "...I feel MUCH more confident having money invested in MSEP than in either of those "turds" you mentioned..." perhaps that "strategy" is part of the "problem"? having money "invested" in any of these "gems" rarely works out well longer term...and that is what "invested" means, isnt it? now off these levels...off a trade? well, thats a different story, and therego the USXP's, IVOC's, and CNES's of the world but rattle off yet another one of your "famous" 10-20 paragraph monologues...ya never know...maybe that will be the catalyst needed good luck <b>GOOOOOOOOOO MSEP ;)</b>