wmbw, I keep reading words like if, when Intel, prospects, maybe AMD, might, but nothing to really substantiate what you have in mind. When and if Intel's products are out, then MAYBE, as you would say, you should argue with people and tell them they don't know what they're talking about. Until then, you should bear in mind that Intel has been promising competitive products for so long, it will be interesting IF they ever come up with something that offers AMD a real challenge. And before you and your friends start calling me names, I can tell you I'm invested in both AMD and Intel.