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Time to scrap Lord's Prayer in Parliament: Greens
Judith Ireland Breaking News Reporter Date January 14, 2014 Comments 371
Peter Costello, Mark Vaile, John Howard and, in the background, Kevin Rudd, at the Annual
Service of Prayer and Worship to open the 2007 Parliamentary Year. Photo: Louie Douvis
* Federal politics: full coverage - http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics
The Lord's Prayer in Federal Parliament is an anachronism, according to Greens senator Richard di Natale, who is calling to have the prayer scrapped.
The acting Greens leader announced on Tuesday that when Parliament returns in February, he will move to end the reading of prayers at the start of each sitting day.
Greens Senator Richard di Natale has called for an end to the
Lord's Prayer opening Parliament. Photo: James Boddington
He will ask the Senate's Procedure Committee to amend the standing orders and look to his Greens colleague Adam Bandt to do the same in the Lower House.
"We have a very clear separation between church and state in this country and the fact that we say the Lord's Prayer in the Australian Parliament, it is an anachronism," he told reporters in Canberra.
Senator di Natale said that "modern" Australia was made up of people who had different ideas about religion.
"We are here to represent everybody. We're here to represent people of all faiths. People who don't have a strong religious faith," he said.
Senator di Natale, who describes himself lapsed Catholic, says he had had an issue with prayers in Parliament since his first day as a senator in 2011. "It was quite jarring," he said.
But he has been prompted to comment this week after government curriculum reviewer Kevin Donnelly argued that schools were too secular.
"When you look at parliaments around Australia - they all begin with the Lord's Prayer. If you look at our constitution, the preamble is about God," Dr Donnelly said on Saturday.
Senator di Natale has not yet talked to Labor and Liberal MPs about his proposition but said he was looking forward to discussing the issue with his colleagues.
"[When the prayers are read] there are a lot of people who are silent or who are thinking of other things," he told Fairfax Media.
Federal Parliament has been reciting prayers at the start of each sitting day since 1901. Today, this includes a preamble and then the Lord's Prayer. Since 2010, sittings have also begun with an acknowledgement of country.
This is not the first time the issue of parliamentary praying has been raised. In 1997 former Greens leader Bob Brown unsuccessfully tried to remove the preamble and Lord's Prayer.
In 2008, former speaker Harry Jenkins led a similarly failed bid.
The Greens' idea did not gain support from practising Christian MPs on Tuesday.
Acting Prime Minister Warren Truss said the government had "no plans to change the standing orders".
Government Senate leader Eric Abetz said he strongly supported keeping the Lord's Prayer, arguing it was "a very rich part of our cultural tradition [and] a humble acknowledgement by the Parliament collectively of its responsibilities".
"The latest Green attack is part of their ongoing attempt to rewrite our history and deny our heritage," he said.
"Our nation's freedoms and wealth have been built on our religious underpinnings making us the envy of the world. The Greens’ refusal to acknowledge their country's own heritage and rich traditions and beliefs is as sad as it is divisive."
A spokeswoman for Labor's Senate leader, Penny Wong, indicated her party did not appreciate the lack of consultation on the issue so far.
"We don't intend to negotiate with other senators through the media," the spokeswoman said.
Labor frontbencher Mark Dreyfus, who is Jewish, pointed to the US model where the House and Senate's opening prayers can be lead by guest chaplains of many faiths.
"Many Australians have religious beliefs. Rather than abolishing the Lord's Prayer we should consider adopting the practice of the US Congress," he said.
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Poll: Should the reading of the Lord's Prayer be scrapped from Federal Parliament?
Yes 33% No 67% Total votes: 5447. Poll closed 15 Jan, 2014
Disclaimer: These polls are not scientific and reflect the opinion only of visitors who have chosen to participate.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/time-to-scrap-lords-prayer-in-parliament-greens-20140114-30src.html
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Judith Ireland Breaking News Reporter Date January 14, 2014 Comments 371
Peter Costello, Mark Vaile, John Howard and, in the background, Kevin Rudd, at the Annual
Service of Prayer and Worship to open the 2007 Parliamentary Year. Photo: Louie Douvis
* Federal politics: full coverage - http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics
The Lord's Prayer in Federal Parliament is an anachronism, according to Greens senator Richard di Natale, who is calling to have the prayer scrapped.
The acting Greens leader announced on Tuesday that when Parliament returns in February, he will move to end the reading of prayers at the start of each sitting day.
Greens Senator Richard di Natale has called for an end to the
Lord's Prayer opening Parliament. Photo: James Boddington
He will ask the Senate's Procedure Committee to amend the standing orders and look to his Greens colleague Adam Bandt to do the same in the Lower House.
"We have a very clear separation between church and state in this country and the fact that we say the Lord's Prayer in the Australian Parliament, it is an anachronism," he told reporters in Canberra.
Senator di Natale said that "modern" Australia was made up of people who had different ideas about religion.
"We are here to represent everybody. We're here to represent people of all faiths. People who don't have a strong religious faith," he said.
Senator di Natale, who describes himself lapsed Catholic, says he had had an issue with prayers in Parliament since his first day as a senator in 2011. "It was quite jarring," he said.
But he has been prompted to comment this week after government curriculum reviewer Kevin Donnelly argued that schools were too secular.
"When you look at parliaments around Australia - they all begin with the Lord's Prayer. If you look at our constitution, the preamble is about God," Dr Donnelly said on Saturday.
Senator di Natale has not yet talked to Labor and Liberal MPs about his proposition but said he was looking forward to discussing the issue with his colleagues.
"[When the prayers are read] there are a lot of people who are silent or who are thinking of other things," he told Fairfax Media.
Federal Parliament has been reciting prayers at the start of each sitting day since 1901. Today, this includes a preamble and then the Lord's Prayer. Since 2010, sittings have also begun with an acknowledgement of country.
This is not the first time the issue of parliamentary praying has been raised. In 1997 former Greens leader Bob Brown unsuccessfully tried to remove the preamble and Lord's Prayer.
In 2008, former speaker Harry Jenkins led a similarly failed bid.
The Greens' idea did not gain support from practising Christian MPs on Tuesday.
Acting Prime Minister Warren Truss said the government had "no plans to change the standing orders".
Government Senate leader Eric Abetz said he strongly supported keeping the Lord's Prayer, arguing it was "a very rich part of our cultural tradition [and] a humble acknowledgement by the Parliament collectively of its responsibilities".
"The latest Green attack is part of their ongoing attempt to rewrite our history and deny our heritage," he said.
"Our nation's freedoms and wealth have been built on our religious underpinnings making us the envy of the world. The Greens’ refusal to acknowledge their country's own heritage and rich traditions and beliefs is as sad as it is divisive."
A spokeswoman for Labor's Senate leader, Penny Wong, indicated her party did not appreciate the lack of consultation on the issue so far.
"We don't intend to negotiate with other senators through the media," the spokeswoman said.
Labor frontbencher Mark Dreyfus, who is Jewish, pointed to the US model where the House and Senate's opening prayers can be lead by guest chaplains of many faiths.
"Many Australians have religious beliefs. Rather than abolishing the Lord's Prayer we should consider adopting the practice of the US Congress," he said.
Follow us on Twitter - https://twitter.com/NationalTimesAU
Poll: Should the reading of the Lord's Prayer be scrapped from Federal Parliament?
Yes 33% No 67% Total votes: 5447. Poll closed 15 Jan, 2014
Disclaimer: These polls are not scientific and reflect the opinion only of visitors who have chosen to participate.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/time-to-scrap-lords-prayer-in-parliament-greens-20140114-30src.html
See also:
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http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=95467637
Tony Abbott was sworn in as prime minister of Australia and immediately moved
.......to end the country's carbon tax and halt boats ferrying immigrants to the country.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=92160015
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