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Re: GEO928 post# 8858

Friday, 12/06/2013 3:09:05 PM

Friday, December 06, 2013 3:09:05 PM

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While I understand what you are saying, AND the reasons given, that fundamentally changes the nature of things intended for us in a way that quickly became a slippery slope. The very one we are are on and losing ground to daily. (I wish you could recognise how MUCH has been lost without your knowledge already.)

I know for a fact, you don't LIKE the way things are, but you do not acknowledge how precisely in this VERY manner, we got here.

There are always alternatives. Alternatives you aren't even considering. Need drives markets. True capitalism provides solutions. I believe you are confusing the duties of government with the power of a free and open market place.

You really don't advocate personal responsibility in this matter. Or it's fullest application, which was to be in the Common Law courts. The chance of losing your total wealth (because Americans really had it at one time) and/or life, is a scrotum wrinkling proposition under the Common Law. Fear of true justice made one very cautious and prudent in their thinking, judgement and actions. We have been fed a pack of lies about the wild and wooly nature of our past. Alexis de Toqueville said he had never seen a nation more just in terms of respect for the individual...


In 1831, Alexis de Tocqueville, a young French aristocrat visiting the United States, saw a new phenomenon in America. In Democracy in America, the book that emerged from his experiences, he described it, with a word he coined, as “individualism.” He was struck by Americans’ individualism because of the contrast to Europe, where “Our fathers only knew about egoism.”

During the same decade, America was visited by an Englishwoman, Harriet Martineau. She agreed with de Tocqueville that Americans had great respect for “men as individuals.” In contrast to her home country, she found that the “puerile and barbaric spirit of contempt is scarcely known in America.” And she added, “Nothing in American civilization struck me so forcibly and so pleasurably as the invariable respect paid to man, as man.”



I believe you are more of a "limited liability socialist" than you realize. FDR and your public indoctrination really got to you. Security to you comes to you in terms of a "social need". You orient on the side of the "collective" more than you know. You are half way to justifying the NDAA and Patriot Acts in terms of giving away hard fought for and sacrifice protected Rights. Your thinking has been boxed and brand named.

Yet the argument in itself may be specious.

We have given up over 6000% of our American wealth in the last 100 years due to unrestrained usurpation by insurrectionists, via our politics. Our technology is lagging FAR behind from where we SHOULD be, had we retained that wealth. I believe we are over 100 years retarded in our development as a people and a nation. The lag is becoming exponential.

THAT is the harsh reality. Your idea of "pragmatism" came with an ENORMOUS cost. I know you do not see the lines between the dots. So you think, "What the hell IS he talking about? Isn't this a divergence from the subject matter?"

Actually, not at all.

America is an innovative and creative nation. We could have designed and built vehicles that took care of your concerns years ago. We didn't take that corner. Government prevented many sane and worthly causes and innovations.

We didn't. And I don't believe that to be an simple "coincidence" or "accident". Our goals are not the same as those currently shaping our political and social climate.

We shape our society by it's needs, whether real or merely "perceived".

Our "reality" is currently being shaped by forces outside our immediate control. THAT, I believe, is unacceptable. We have to guard against the very things Jefferson warns us of. This is exactly one of those instances.

"The Constitution is a mere thing of wax in the hands of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form they please."

But then again, remember there is no "judiciary" in the lower courts. In fact, ALL courts and "agencies of government" in America, are in fact, private corporations if you'll bother to investigate. Just look them up on manta.com/ or dnb.com/. Get an eyeful, GEO, and then ask yourself, "What the HELL is going on here?" How is it that the corporations that are being protected by courts while raping us and our economy, while the common man is sacrificed daily over petty matters. How exactly is that in the public's interest?

I, as a Citizen of the American Republic, will if necessary, guard against this encroachment single handedly if necessary. My moral compass will not allow any other choice.

I will not accept any attempts to usurp our Rights... AS THEY STAND!

I declare my Right as one of the Sovereign People of the Republic of the united States of America and be willing to fight for it any way necessary,... including to the death.

Overly dramatic?

They didn't think so in 1774.

Reasons to declare independence back 1776 were as follows;

1.) Unfair taxation.
2.) Cutting off trade.
3.) Abolishing at whim good and uselful laws.
4.) Making arbitrary laws himself (King George; like licensing and registrations; i.e. Stamp Act)
5.) Creating new governmental departments with officials that harass the People, and eat out their substance.
6.) Deprive colonists trial by jury.
7.) Protecting his own officials who were murderers.
8.) Attempting to establish Military Rule.
9.) Hiring mercenaries to harass and kill colonists.
10.) Capturing and forcing colonist to fight against their fellow colonists or be killed.
11.) Fostering domestic uprisings in the colonies.
12.) Disallowing or not hearing any appeals for justice.

Notice any similarities?

As our founding fathers constantly admonished, De Tocqueville recognized that liberty requires constant effort and vigilance, for it is difficult to attain and is easily lost.

This is how it is accomplished.








"...once more, after the usual period of years, the torrents of heaven sweep down like a pestilence leaving only the rude and unlettered among you."

~Plato's Timaeus

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