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Re: rosen62 post# 153877

Tuesday, 11/19/2013 5:54:17 PM

Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:54:17 PM

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I can't precisely say much about the lawsuits in spite of some heavy reading. The missing actor, the government, hasn't revealed all what it thinks. Not to mention I am far from a legal expert but my layman view is that there appear to be some inconsistencies for the court to assess and that this inconsistencies will take greater importance as the process goes on shifting the center of the discussion from simply taking private property away and similar claims to the deeper meaning of what occurred and how.


Yes. We do not yet have verified opinion of what the US Treasury and FHFA will offer as a defense of their actions and inconsistencies in the application of the law governing the conservatorships.

Say, the claim -by gov- that individual shareholders have no claims because there are no individual shareholders anymore finds receptive ears on a judge, the court may still struggle with the notion that the one and only standing shareholder -FHFA through the conservatorship- immolates the institutions that give this shareholder the sole reason to exist. A contradiction in itself. Just like allowing stock certificates to continue to trade/exist while shareholders were absorbed into one single entity taking their place. How would those buying valid shares in the open market be called then? Were or were they not shareholders? Were or were they not buying valid shares of existing companies?


It is the US Treasury that would be the single shareholder and the FHFA doing the immolating. The simple fact is that the conservatorship is a temporary status and it cannot be made into a permanent one. Thus, the law states, unequivocally, that the GSEs must remain private shareholding companies. There is no way around this provision. At all times, the FHFA and the US Treasury by law must adhere to the future release of the GSEs from the conservatorships in a safe and solvent condition and thereby preserve and conserve GSEs assets as mandated by law.

In the end, the sloppy process the government carried out may come back to hurt them.
Unless a judge determines that the situation at the time was such that the government couldn't have envisioned all what later happened, thus validating some of the inconsistencies.


The allowing of the continued trade in GSE securities shows that the US Treasury and FHFA recognized and still recognize by law that these two GSEs are private shareholding companies and that they are not doing business as Fannie and Freddie with assets and liabilities on US Treasury's books.

Unlike the majority posting I do not think the lawsuits are a done deal. And I have large chunk of preferred shares.


Agreed. There is a war to be won.