Cyclone Power Technologies, Inc. (fka CYPW)

[Tom Swift]

Good Morning, Terry.

Sigh, no... The point of the steam aircraft engine posting was that the WHE does nothing that you can't get from going to E-Bay or looking for other old technology engines on the web. Fifty years ago Hobbyists built engines of similar capability out of old refrigeration compressors for their steam launches...and still do. The old Brotherhood radials also had uniflow exhaust porting and connecting rod actuated porting that dumped the saturated steam through the cylinder head. The Devine patent

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US3910160.pdf

does effectively the same thing and is also public domain. Nothing here justifies "One Engine, One World" advertising, it isn't radically new, innovative or proprietary. Are you claiming that the WHE is worth millions in development costs to date or an estimated $10,000 price tag....sans boiler, feed pump, condenser and so on needed to make it run? I beg to differ, I certainly can't afford to pay that and submit that no one rationally could for what it delivers. If you get an emotional kick out of it, that is a different matter and be my guest and have my blessing, but don't try to tell me that is a rational matter. I could easily spend some beer money to get something about as good, cheaper, from many other sources including Gary Hadden. <shameless plug<

In fact, Terry, since you argue so passionately that this is the buy of the ages, may I humbly inquire when your check will be in the mail and when you expect to take delivery of your WHE so as to take advantage of the wonderful benefits? If the answer is not "immediately", there may be another huge credibility gap. I eagerly await your very exacting accounting of initial cost, installation and maintenance expenditure, operating expenses, time expended in servicing and value of output derived. I do not feel the need to do so in the opposite case; I am the party who is not trying to sell the proposition and rather am the skeptical one that needs to be convinced to part with the green. Talk is cheap and won't do it, I need hard data, and credibly verified at that before I will accept it as fact.

The supercritical technology Cyclone advertised, IF (and that is one HELL of a big IF) might justify the expenditures. I said MIGHT. The devil is in the details. There was nothing wrong with the basic concept behind the Yugo, it had the essential recipe for simple, basic, affordable and practical transportation at the right time and place...but the execution missed the mark rather badly while the Model T, VW Beetle and Ford Fairmont all found it -- as attested by their sales. In all three cases they delivered just the right blend of engineering, cost effectiveness and utility for the market as they found it. THE WHE isn't even close to being the answer. Like the cars above that all ran their course, showing the market is a moving target, you can't palm off yesteryears goods in a shiny new wrapper and get real respect. Most people don't like to be treated condescendingly and will react with contempt, instead.

The concepts that the Mark V is supposed to employ sounds good, although the actual engineering sounds pretty questionable. The fact that you can't just order one online, toss it on a dyno and confirm the claims makes the whole thing more than a little suspicious. I know Cyclone has invoked all kinds of confidentiality nonsense about this..and it is nonsense. Try to buy a car that hasn't had tons of independant testing by SAE and EPA, all of which is public record. Motor Trend or Road and Track will wring out demonstrator models for their reports and sometimes will run to the shop down the street to do their own dyno test.

I question the Mark V as a product for a whole variety of reasons that have nothing to do with the basic concept, I consider the basic design to be a Yugo but without the integrity of actually reaching production. If Cyclone wants to succeed, I think they need to scrap that thing and start over with something that actually serves a purpose to consumers.

If there is a backlash against Cyclone, it is mostly of their own making. There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance, and mistaking the two can be deadly. If the Babe had struck out rather than hitting a homer when he pointed at the fence, that incident would be a matter of derision rather than awe. Cyclone points at a lot of fences, all but demands applause from the crowd, then whiffs. Repeatedly. I've seen some presentations, they invariably claim superiority of their product over others that are actually on the market...which is of itself a bit tacky. Not delivering really sets them up for insult.

I cheerfully await the day they deliver an engine somewhere, anywhere, and put it to a public test that proves output, durability, efficiency and functionality.

I've probably stomped on them enough for the time being, so may not be posting for a while. Maybe they get the point and will be more circumspect in their dealings. I may come back, though, especially depending if the continuous self-congratualtory press announcements keep coming without any proof to back them up. There are also some other personal reasons that could make me return...

Till next time, if there is one, Take Care.

Tom