Good grief...EVCA always sucked.... ......if it wasn't for two individuals who pumped the hell knowing it sucked, then took their profits based on those lies.... .... and then clammed up stating they had NDA's with the company.... ....meaning the company and those two individuals with NDA's decided to work in tandem to rip off unsuspecting shareholders based on lies.... ..... there wouldn't even be a need to state this now to all the people they ripped off.... Old saying......"don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining"...