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By: foxrun51
02 Aug 2013, 12:12 PM CDT
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Last Chance Willy...
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Contrary to Willy lying on the boards, trying to turn what was an interest-free loan into a pump to purchase stock, below my following message to Willy is the email exchange between Willy and myself regarding the issue of me being repaid. Remember, Willy paid me back $14,000.00, at the time he claimed he was broke and applying for food stamps, the same approximate time he was purchasing 2 new homes in Dallas, Oregon.

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Once again, you have lied about me on the boards regarding issues like SFPS, your introduction to "the bad guys", that I am involved in stock scams and scamming the public when I don't even buy and sell stocks anymore and I NEVER ONCE was paid for recommending stocks to anyone, that I was an attorney for "the bad guys", not to mention other lies such as I was the person who turned you onto GBDX.

It is obvious that you could "care less" about my posts to you because my posts to you are replete with truth - a commodity in short supply at the Willy residence. As usual with liars and scamsters being exposed trying to cover their asses, you dismiss a mountain of specifics without addressing the merit of even one statement. That is a very convenient manner to deal with truth in large quantities, huh Wilber?

Come on Wilbur, tell us again how I connected you to GBDX while the entire time, even though I NEVER owned the stock and I was telling you to get away from it because it was a scam - even referenced in the emails below in 2008. It stunk of the same TA's, accountants, story-line, lawyers, promoters, consultants, and of course, Turino, that other Turino scams had. I was still a touch naive in believing that there was a chance you were being misled, so I was trying to warn you to help you as did other genuine people like Keith Houser and Don McCurdy - that was until I found all the other Turino stocks you promoted and realized that you were merely "one of the boys". There are no coincidences in this case, huh Wilbur?

I warned you Willy. "Quit lying about me and I will stop telling the truth about you." Apparently, that admonition either fell on ears to arrogant to hear or those just too plain stupid to understand. So, here it goes Willy:

If you fail to retract your previous lies about me, and you continue to open your mouth lying about me, even one more time, I will not only sue you (in the Los Angeles Superior Court), but I will subpoena every trading record, phone record, email, WillyWizard archive, hard drive, etc... you ever had and not only use them to prove my case, but I will insure that others who have been harmed by you are able to see those records so they can prove what a lying piece of trash you are for their own lawsuits against you. I may even start up a new business based upon representing people suing you for stock fraud. Not only will I expose everything about you, but I am sure your "associates" will appreciate that your endless yap led to their exposure as well. Are you game, you ignorant cheat? Go ahead Willy, lie about me again, you degenerate con man. I promise to not only sue you, but in the process, I will make your life a litigation nightmare.

I will wait 48 hours for your retraction.

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The EMAIL exchange with Willy regarding the loan I made to him and my request for repayment. The emails read in timing from bottom to top:


-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
To: A friend
Sent: Tue, Apr 29, 2008 12:12 pm
Subject: Re: Need to be paid now

The attention was my no income since October so I sold some CIM and CMKX to raise funds which enabled me to pay off past bills. God knows I had a few of them. I was way behind but that happens from time to time.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: A friend
Terrific. Thank you for your prompt attention to the matter.


A


-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
To: A friend
Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:41 am
Subject: Re: Need to be paid now

I am sending your check today for full amount.

Hal

-------------- Original message --------------
From: A friend
Willy,

As I said, I didn't speak to Keith; but I did have a discussion with someone who speaks to Keith. I confided in the person as to the several issues I had with a number of people who borrowed money and I did discuss your emails; although I did not read them to him. I did not ask him to speak to Keith about it nor did I ask him to post the information. My intention was to seek a second opinion on how I might handle the issues related to the debts, not for your personal information to be posted on a chatboard. If that offended you, you have my apologies.

I appreciate you getting the money to me ASAP. I appreciate you taking this matter to your immediate attention. I have several issues in my life requiring that I approach all the people who borrowed money and get them to pay me back, so do not feel as if you are the only one. I loaned almost $200,000.00 to people for a 6-month to 1-year period and almost all of them are delinquent in repayment. I loaned this money from my inheritance from my mom's estate, sp in addition to the immediate needs, it is important for me to recover it for other reasons. I am not the Bank of England so I can not simply write off such debts.

Thank you again for your prompt attention to the matter.


A


-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
To: A friend
Cc: [e-mail]
Sent: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: Need to be paid now

Hummm wonder how he knew we were on food stamps? interesting

Also I think by end of day Wednesday I'll have enough money to totally pay you off. Like I told you before when I can pay I will and should be able to clean up my debt 100%. I just need to clear the stock I sold so it shouldn't take past Monday for Helen to clear cwerts.

:):):)

Hal Engel

-------------- Original message --------------
From: A friend
I have not spoken with Keith Houser in over 2 weeks.


-----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
To: A friend
Sent: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 2:07 pm
Subject: Re: Need to be paid now

Allen,

Please stop sharing my personal buiness with Keith Houser. Now he is posting it on the GBDX thread. It's very evident when something is said Keith Houser hears about it.

Hal Engel

-------------- Original message --------------
From: A friend
Willie,

We are quite past the payments stage. Unless you send 1/2 now and make the other half good within 30 days, do not bother. The agreement was for me to be paid the entire amount within 6 months of the loan, not waiting 20 months later for you to make a nominal first payment and thereafter, chase you around every month for years for a payment. I will not be sucked into that trap.

If you wish to send $7,000 right now, sent it to 4105 East Broadway, Suite 205, Long Beach, CA 90803. I will wait 48 hours for your reply to this email either confirming the money is beinf sent or that you will not comply. If I don't hear from you, I will simply do what I have to do for collection.


A


-----Origina l Message-----
From: willywizard@com cast.net
To: A friend
Cc: [e-mail]
Sent: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:04 am
Subject: Re: Need to be paid now

Allen,

Please send me your mailing address. I'll at least try to make you payments until I get this cim and cmkx sold.

Hal

-------------- Original message --------------
From: A friend
Willie,

As stated before regarding the money, your claim that I would accept CIM for payment of the $14,000 is an untruth. You were to pay me the money (and if I gave the CIM option, IT WAS TO BE WITHIN 6 MONTHS). You never paid me cash or CIM within 6 months, did you? If there was a CIM deal (which there was not), you did not stick to it so how can you suddenly claim that CIM will satisfy the debt? Even if I gave you the 6 month option, you NEVER honored it. In a best case scnario for your position, you still did not perform as allegedly agreed.

The truth is that when you offered to sell me the shares, I stated - and I quote, "I would feel terrible if CIM hit big and I took all of your shares as I had plenty," so w e did not make the deal. The agree ment was that payment would occur in 6 months - the amount of time you needed for your bills to be covered until one of your deals hit. Six months has long since past - I gave you cash and I wish cash to return. If you have any question as to the people I spoke to at the time, I made it clear to them, as I did to you, that I was LOANING you money, not buying any shares from you. I would never have made the deal, believing that CIM, 20 months later, was my payment. As far as you borrowing the money, youn eeded the cash to survive so I find it hard to believe you "would not have done the deal hadyou known you were to return cash."

As far as you not having money, you have certainly had money throughout this time, as is evidenced by the stockpromoters.com publications of your STATED income. However, that is not really my concern. You have shares of companies, yes? All of those GBDX shares? A l l of those CIM shares (I hear Deli is bu ying CIM)? You were recently paid in DKGR, yes? Did I receive even $100 from your DKGR? I am not really interested when your big deals are supposed to happen, just sell them and pay your debt. I have given you an additional 14 months beyond the due date - that is long enough.

Willie, you say I hear and speak of non-truths? What is a non-truth about me telling you to get away from your mob pals with GBDX? Did I not warn you - SEVERAL TIMES - to get away from them? Did I not tell you that Turino was Ronnied and that he was using you? Did you not see Turino (Ronnied) on the boards addressing some guy named Nickolas or Nickolai who is some Russian mobster who was on the same subpoena list as you, Turino, Barnett and so many others? You have made so many bogus claims as to who was feeding you the information on GBDX, changing your story each time we spoke.&am p;am p;nbs p;

You also claim that I stated I d id not want to talk to you as a reason for not keeping me updated? Willy, insulting my intelligence will not go too far for your cause. When did I first tell you that I had nothing more to say to you - maybe a week ago? How many times did you call me to give me money and payment updates before last week? Did you call even once? Please, do not try to ######## me anymore. You walked away from truth and chose the life of telling the lie. That is why you are suffering so much right now - deep down, you know what is ahead of you.

In any case, do what has to be done. Sell whatever you must. Borrow whatever you need. I am entitled to be paid and I will get a judgment and attach assets as I must. It is not my desire, but I have greater obligations than to accommodate you at this time.


A



-----Original Message-----
From: wil [e-mail]
To: A friend
Cc: [e-mail]
Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: Need to be paid now

Allen,

I am so broke we applied for food stamps and they appoved us. My mother in law helped us pay bills last month and this month.

Also Allen it looks like there was a huge discrepricy on the deal we did and if i known I would have never done it.

No excuses but on my honor if you see the way you do I'll pay you some day.

Allen I am broke and when I can start payments I will and hope it's soon.

Update you? I called the other day and you got mad at me and told me not to call you again. You are hear non-truths about me and you believe what you are hearing.

Allen I can't stop you from legal action if that is the route you wish to take but I wish you would understand the deal twisted in mid stream as I have said many times. It was all about me selling CIM shares and giving me till end of year then chnaging your mind wanting $14000 instead of 12,000,000 CIM which was suppose to be my choice not yours.

Again Allen I am broke and very hurting just getting over Chemo. I can't stop you from anything but ask you to be patient.

Hal Engel

-------------- Original message --------------
From: A friend
Willy,

I have waited for more than 14 months past the date you had promised to repay me the $14,000 you borrowed in August of 2006. I need to be repaid at this time and I will not wait anymore. I have given you every opportunity for any and all of the stocks you have promised would happen, more than the time you stated you needed to repay me, but I can not and I will not wait any longer for payment.

It is regrettable that it has come to this point, but I have a new daughter and am remodeling the house and I have endured enough frustration, both within and from my wife, regarding this unpaid debt. My family has priority over you, even if I have abstained from collection efforts for far longer than I should have. You could have eas ily been paying a few hundred dollars per month in good faith for the past year, but you didn't. You could have regularly called or emailed me to give me updates on your finances, but you didn't. Is such conduct the actions of a responsible person and "friend" who borrowed money in good faith with the true intention of repayment? Please do not tell me that you could never make any payments on the debt, nor tell me that you wish to start making them now. We have gone far past that point.

If you need to, sell your stocks, then sell them. Mortgage your home, then mortgage it. Borrow from another, then borrow it. Do whatever you must, but I want my money and I want it now. It is not just because I want the money that you should be reacting in the affirmative, but because it is right. I tried to help you when you were in a time of alleged great need, even though we had never met. While I showed you extraordinary kindness and trust, far beyond my station in life, giving you an interest-free loan of such a sizable amount, you have not reciprocated with any degree of sincerity as to meeting this obligation or even keeping me regularly informed. I should never have had to ask, I should never have had to complain, you should have been there with openness and cooperation all along. Instead, I am now chasing you down for this money almost well over one year after the due date for repayment. I find that non-responsive approach most disappointing.

I will wait 5 days. If I do not receive an email regarding this matter, indicating an exact date of prompt repayment, I will take it up a notch as necessary.


Allan