As I said earlier, I don't expect anyone to pay any heed to what I say. People should draw their own conclusions from available facts. The only known facts are: 1. The sp action 2. What the company puts out. That's what I base my conclusions on. But I don't expect anyone to listen to me. They too should look at the facts. Now back to my question. You said: "Those who know don't speak, and those who speak don't know" How does that apply to Joe? He talks the most. Does that mean that he knows the least?