Maybe these guys can value a coal producer... http://www.vhgiholdings.com/index_htm_files/JANUARY_2013_VALUATION_UPDATE.PDF Or maybe equip assets? http://www.vhgiholdings.com/index_htm_files/Stout%20Appraisal%2092412.pdf But Im sure you will say these guys are wrong to...your the EXPERT! VHGI could spike soon, but it won't be because of fundamentals or profits. That quote is pure crap! But hey your the genius! (facepalm) VHGI MS