michael mulshine <A HREF="http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/personinfo/FromPersonIdPersonTearsheet.jhtml?passedPersonId=225747" target="_blank">http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/personinfo/FromPersonIdPersonTearsheet.jhtml?passedPerson...</A> don't know what all that means in our environment but VASCO is on Nasdaq trading at around $9.x or so