Humbly report, Joemoney, re your "i don't think anyone is allowed to short OTC stocks. so there is NO short position." Not necessarily. Shorting OTCBB stocks is a common practice, regardless of what the rules stipulate. Special Report: Dirty Tricks in US OTC Bulletin Board Stocks PART ONE - Short Selling": <A HREF="http://www.taylorstock.com/OTCBB1.html" target="_new">http://www.taylorstock.com/OTCBB1.html</A> PART TWO: <A HREF="http://www.taylorstock.com/OTCBB2.html" target="_new">http://www.taylorstock.com/OTCBB2.html</A> And have you seen this? Some excellent points raised: "Deciphering Infotopia's Latest Press Release": <A HREF="http://www.otcbbnn.com/news601.htm" target="_new">http://www.otcbbnn.com/news601.htm</A> Cheers, Svejk