Hi mick. How are you? I'm going through a tough time. It's a long story. Stacking cheap silver is the way to go. Copper is not hitting the 2008 Lehman shock low. I hope gold and silver doesn't have to become a victim of the manipulator and re-touch the 2008 low. www.kitconet.com/charts/metals/base/spot-copper-5y-Large.gif