Thanks Dade, I understand and will just treat TAG's comments as ghosts of a jaded investor, IE: "Sour Grapes". I just added 500k @ .0112 to my average down, so I may enjoy a greater upside if ECO can survive and I think they will. The building market is on aa slow road back , but conboy has done a good job of getting the name and cerifications out to the co's that matter in the US and we may have a chance even without a big box retailer, although a nice contract with HD "wouldn't hurt"!