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Re: daytona45 post# 30511

Saturday, 03/02/2013 3:09:02 AM

Saturday, March 02, 2013 3:09:02 AM

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Alrighty then..

1. my thinker (the thinking part of my mind)

Can you point to that feature? Show me your thinking "mind"? Point to it on your body? Is it internal? External? The Egyptians and other cultures thought it was in their hearts. Some say it is carried into the body, or interfaces with it via the breath. Who is right? Also, if animated things "die",... do inanimate things also die? What is one of the first sure signs of death?

2. I am who I think I am which may be entirely different than what you think I am.

My subjective perception can give me no accurate accounting of YOU are, nor of me, or any THING.
I may have notions based on my experiences in this world, but they are summary judgments of properties or characteristics that I percieve that exist based on MY personal experience ALONE, perhaps in relative conformity to what I think I have shared with others.

3. a human being

So, what IS that? And remember, a definition is not the "thing" in itself. And if we are energy swimming in a sea of so-called energy, are we ANYTHING more than simple vorteces of that self-same energy, in the way a whirlpool is "identified" as different from the river itself? The whirlpool is nothing but water,... itself taken a distinctive, but temporary form. It isn't stuck in that form. Even as it spins, maintaining its form, water is added AND taken away. What part of it is the "thing"? What part of it ever was the "thing"?

4. no

Perception, in fact DOES take in most of what we call "thinking". Any kind of conceptualization, cognition, reasoning can be considered "thinking". This also includes the recognition that occurs when a sense organ comes into contact with an object. Perception can be thought of as "that which identifies." An object perceived may be a physical object,... or a mental one, such as an idea. But then there is the "self-awareness" principle and the "not self". There is a collision between these "things".



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