wouldn't it be fun to be a fly on the wall? just hypothetically, imagine a conference call between ironridge, asher, and ventana group. ventana might explain to them that they had to convert here to erase the remaining bits of convertible debt, so the $8.5M could fund. remember, ironridge only was owed $1.1M back in 9/30/12... months ago. and there have been quite a few conversions since then. do the math! just pull out a calculator real quick, estimate the VWAP, and add up the shares issued. ironridge may be all out. if so... wow..!! JMHO! and... i DO think we're at the dead bottom before liftoff. :-D