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Re: surfguy post# 4526

Wednesday, 02/13/2013 4:08:59 PM

Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:08:59 PM

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I'll preface this by stating that all of this is a total mystery to me. One hopeful idea of a possible scenario I have thought of and hadn't yet seen posted, is the following.

One more qualifier, is my total lack of knowledge of toxic debtors internal financial model and rules. I agree with some of the post that indicate that waiting for higher profits seems a good strategy, but my guess is that the financing machine behind these TD houses might be more conservative. Maybe they aren't allowed to speculate on holding stock when they are also speculating on loaning more to the company. Maybe they can only put so much capital at risk per penny stock. If so, maybe they have to sell held shares to cover outstanding loans.

Not sure that makes even a bit of sense to anyone, but the thought occurred to me that someone needs to raise capital to manufacture and/or buy NPUs. Even if ECOS is the buyer, they still need some cash infusion at this point, be it for manufacturing NPUs, sales expense, etc. If the only source of quick capital is a convertible note, maybe, just maybe, ECOS is needing more loans in the form of convertible debt. BUT, in this case with planned revenues, ECOS plans to repay the loans before they convert to stock and only pay the 8%. But, if my wild arse guess happens to be correct, and if TD'er can only loan more on any particular stock based on selling converted shares, then maybe the sell off is by one or more TD'er, in order to have the proper ratio to loan ECOS more money.

Wild Arse Scenario: Ahso has a limit to the amount of debt they can extend ECOS. ECOS needs an infuse to fill $350K orders, and Asho can deliver, only if Ahso sells converted stock for funding. Or, some derivative equation, like Monar needs TD to buy NPU's to start D-20 or M-Fuel production, and TD'er have to create liquidity before loaning any more money into ECOS, it's production chain or supply chain.

For your own edification, no beers were harmed in the creation of this Wild Arse scenario! smile It's a wild guess folks.

But again, I hold firm in my beliefs about ECOS. I also realize, hope springs eternal. Every time I think I've been a fool about this stock (and if I were to sell today, I would be, one way or another), I think about how this has played out and actually feel a little better. I mean, even though completely maddening, the PR's and path to revenue actually make some business sense to me. First, you try energy generation (Chile, Ukraine), and the tests are successful but nobody wants to layout $850K to save 20% on fuel cost on an untried technology. Same goes for me personally; I can't spend $30K upfront on a solar system for my house to save $2K a year in electric bills - and that's a proven technology. So you shift gears, saddle up with an entity that wants to be in the fuel production business, and go after a market with greater benefits in end product (all gigawatts of energy are the same, but healthier chickens is an improved product) and bigger cost savings in poultry production.

So, I hold, I wince, I buy. Bought some today at 0.019, and both wish I had more funds to buy more, and glad I didn't have more funds to buy more, if you know what I mean.

Still hoping ... and trying to not watch this stock on a daily basis ... HB

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