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Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:22:14 AM
Ski, first off are you Drumb? Im 94% convinced you are.
Second I appreciate this discussion, I really do. You are one of the cordial shorts and that is rare. Ultimately while it may not seem it, if you are truly a short without an agenda (working for someone) then we are after the same thing - the truth.
Unfortunatly based on your posts Im not so sure of your intent is to get at the truth - its to bash the stock and trick others into thinking you know the truth. All the while you do not respond to counter arguments. If your intent is at the truth please respond to counter points brought out - and dont just say, well the company is a scam so I dont believe it. Thats not an argument - thats short slam talk.
Third lets address your new points.
1. "There is a huge difference between technical and fundamental analysis." Yes I understand the difference. Do you understand that there are a LOT of traders that ONLY trade on technicals. In fact outside of Star, Im one of them. Basically technical analysis becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. That means traders often think a trade is going to happen so when it shows a strong signal, it happens. They all pile on. Many technical traders are following Star and watching for a breakout to the long side. No matter how you crack it, thats bad news for shorts. This is why Carter issued his buy. As far as fundamentals, I often find the timing of these breakouts happens to miraculously correspond with a news item, in which case its also now fundamental.
2. Nothing to say here - I believe Fred Couples is a big deal which will bring in revenue. You apparently think that its all a scam, so we are not even having the same discussion. They are different discussions entirely.
3. "I am going to talk about the patent validity in a way you might understand.'
Now let me put it in simple terms for you. Star 1 was a case for infringement for years 2001-02. Star 2 would be an entirely different case for years post 2002. In Star 1, as I stated, there was evidence for infringement that WAS NOT ALLOWED as admissible, mainly because Garbis thought it irrelevant because Star did not have the patents. NOW they have the patents - and guess what, right after that decision, Judge Garbis decides its time for Star and RJR to sit down for settlement. Hmmm, no smoke there. He knows, as well as RJR that the verdict of infringement could very well turn out different in a Star 2 case.
QUESTION
Will you publicly acknowledge that there will be new evidence introduced in a Star 2 case because the patents are valid?
If so you have to concede that as such any verdict of infringement in Star 1 will not mean the same verdict of infringement in Star 2. Again, apparently Judge Garbis also believed this which is why was it referred to mediation. So no, your tire argument has no merit because they are different cases.
4. Rear view mirror trading. Do you always assume that what happens in the past will continue? Im glad Thomas Edison did not feel that way - it would be a very different world otherwise.
As far as my faith, its in Anatabloc, not the case. The case is cream for me and many other Bulls.
5. "It is nice that Johns Hopkins is looking into the product, but that means very little. " So it means very little that physicians from the number one hospital in the country have an interest in the product. Wow. It means nothing that one of their top endocrinologists Dr Paul Ladenson, said that he knows of no other treatment for Thyroiditis than anatabloc?
Next your quote:
"You will forgive me for not being swayed by numerous anonymous testimonials that could be posted by anyone or even the same person under various user names."
You apparently have been to the facebook page of Anatabloc right? You do know that faking peoples testimonies there is virtually impossible without getting caught. These are real people.
And what exactly are we talking about in the companies recent shady history? They have been fighting Big Tobacco for the past 10 years because they believe they were infringed on. As a result they had no revenue and had to issue shares. What exactly is shady about that? It may have not been a good investment 5 years ago, but its not shady. By the way, for a person who has supposedly been to all those GNC stores, you are saying that you have not actually tried the product? NOW THAT SEEMS SHADY TO ME. Ive tried Anatabloc - it works and works great. Many agree with me.
Finally:
"The reason that Anatabloc is an OTC dietary supplement and getting FDA approval is not being discussed is because I believe Star knows it would never hold up under the scrutiny of FDA required testing."
What EXACT proof do you have that the studies are NOT UP TO FDA Standards?? Well as you know Im sure, they are randomized double blind studies - seems legit to me. Here they are on clinicaltrial.gov.
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=anatabine
Of course you also know that the Thyroid Study is using RCP-007, not RCP-006 (which is anatabloc). Most feel this is a Drug version of Anatabloc. And you also know that the CEO publicity stated that the plan is to introduce the Anatabloc supplement and THEN introduce a FDA approved Drug version down the road? He likened it to taking the ferry boat until while the cruise ship is being built. Put another way, they wished to get the supplement version out first and then go FDA level with a drug version because it does take longer to get approved. Again given long delay with FDA, the fact that its a safe supplement and it works, that sounds like a solid business strategy to me.
Ah well, sorry but while you are cordial, your points are sorely misinformed Im afraid. You base your entire argument it seems on a 20 year old incident with the CEO and now you believe the entire company is a Scam. Does not hold water. And to boot you dont even fully respond to points brought out.
Whos the scammer?
Second I appreciate this discussion, I really do. You are one of the cordial shorts and that is rare. Ultimately while it may not seem it, if you are truly a short without an agenda (working for someone) then we are after the same thing - the truth.
Unfortunatly based on your posts Im not so sure of your intent is to get at the truth - its to bash the stock and trick others into thinking you know the truth. All the while you do not respond to counter arguments. If your intent is at the truth please respond to counter points brought out - and dont just say, well the company is a scam so I dont believe it. Thats not an argument - thats short slam talk.
Third lets address your new points.
1. "There is a huge difference between technical and fundamental analysis." Yes I understand the difference. Do you understand that there are a LOT of traders that ONLY trade on technicals. In fact outside of Star, Im one of them. Basically technical analysis becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. That means traders often think a trade is going to happen so when it shows a strong signal, it happens. They all pile on. Many technical traders are following Star and watching for a breakout to the long side. No matter how you crack it, thats bad news for shorts. This is why Carter issued his buy. As far as fundamentals, I often find the timing of these breakouts happens to miraculously correspond with a news item, in which case its also now fundamental.
2. Nothing to say here - I believe Fred Couples is a big deal which will bring in revenue. You apparently think that its all a scam, so we are not even having the same discussion. They are different discussions entirely.
3. "I am going to talk about the patent validity in a way you might understand.'
Now let me put it in simple terms for you. Star 1 was a case for infringement for years 2001-02. Star 2 would be an entirely different case for years post 2002. In Star 1, as I stated, there was evidence for infringement that WAS NOT ALLOWED as admissible, mainly because Garbis thought it irrelevant because Star did not have the patents. NOW they have the patents - and guess what, right after that decision, Judge Garbis decides its time for Star and RJR to sit down for settlement. Hmmm, no smoke there. He knows, as well as RJR that the verdict of infringement could very well turn out different in a Star 2 case.
QUESTION
Will you publicly acknowledge that there will be new evidence introduced in a Star 2 case because the patents are valid?
If so you have to concede that as such any verdict of infringement in Star 1 will not mean the same verdict of infringement in Star 2. Again, apparently Judge Garbis also believed this which is why was it referred to mediation. So no, your tire argument has no merit because they are different cases.
4. Rear view mirror trading. Do you always assume that what happens in the past will continue? Im glad Thomas Edison did not feel that way - it would be a very different world otherwise.
As far as my faith, its in Anatabloc, not the case. The case is cream for me and many other Bulls.
5. "It is nice that Johns Hopkins is looking into the product, but that means very little. " So it means very little that physicians from the number one hospital in the country have an interest in the product. Wow. It means nothing that one of their top endocrinologists Dr Paul Ladenson, said that he knows of no other treatment for Thyroiditis than anatabloc?
Next your quote:
"You will forgive me for not being swayed by numerous anonymous testimonials that could be posted by anyone or even the same person under various user names."
You apparently have been to the facebook page of Anatabloc right? You do know that faking peoples testimonies there is virtually impossible without getting caught. These are real people.
And what exactly are we talking about in the companies recent shady history? They have been fighting Big Tobacco for the past 10 years because they believe they were infringed on. As a result they had no revenue and had to issue shares. What exactly is shady about that? It may have not been a good investment 5 years ago, but its not shady. By the way, for a person who has supposedly been to all those GNC stores, you are saying that you have not actually tried the product? NOW THAT SEEMS SHADY TO ME. Ive tried Anatabloc - it works and works great. Many agree with me.
Finally:
"The reason that Anatabloc is an OTC dietary supplement and getting FDA approval is not being discussed is because I believe Star knows it would never hold up under the scrutiny of FDA required testing."
What EXACT proof do you have that the studies are NOT UP TO FDA Standards?? Well as you know Im sure, they are randomized double blind studies - seems legit to me. Here they are on clinicaltrial.gov.
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=anatabine
Of course you also know that the Thyroid Study is using RCP-007, not RCP-006 (which is anatabloc). Most feel this is a Drug version of Anatabloc. And you also know that the CEO publicity stated that the plan is to introduce the Anatabloc supplement and THEN introduce a FDA approved Drug version down the road? He likened it to taking the ferry boat until while the cruise ship is being built. Put another way, they wished to get the supplement version out first and then go FDA level with a drug version because it does take longer to get approved. Again given long delay with FDA, the fact that its a safe supplement and it works, that sounds like a solid business strategy to me.
Ah well, sorry but while you are cordial, your points are sorely misinformed Im afraid. You base your entire argument it seems on a 20 year old incident with the CEO and now you believe the entire company is a Scam. Does not hold water. And to boot you dont even fully respond to points brought out.
Whos the scammer?
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