DB... What in the world is an ides? Please no reference to St. Ides, which were good 40's when I was a teenager. Also, I won't accept the St. Ides soaps or shampoos either. This should limit your ability to divert the answer to something other than what the "Mystical Reference" is. You can PM if it's a secret. I'll keep my mouth shut. TIA!! Good Luck To You! We're gonna find out if anyone gets to eat some crow this week. There SNeYBLoWs! Miller