Okay, that makes more sense. it is my understanding is that the conversion has already been set up. Woof. So how does that fit with my original question of this quote? Shiva didn't know? shiva said the noteholder who cashed in was an old bill for services and shiva did not know he was going to cash it in http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=73485352 If it had already been set up then Shiva did know! No?