Tin, I've quit reading all the posts on all the boards, so maybe I've missed something, I thought the HanGo/HyTek shipping was to go as follows: first, the people who signed up on the net, then the stores were to get our players. Are you suggesting that one of HyTek's OEMs will get players before HyTek introduces the Treo under the Treo name? If that's the case, maybe we can get one cheaper from someone else?