InvestorsHub Logo
Followers 35
Posts 3008
Boards Moderated 0
Alias Born 08/19/2009

Re: MaxPowerLove$Ihub post# 180

Saturday, 01/07/2012 7:30:15 AM

Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:30:15 AM

Post# of 197
Le2, the NSCC illiquid deposit requirement is calculated for stocks selling at $0.01 and below as (($0.01*number_of_shares)-trade_value).
The NSCC imposes that deposit requirement to clearing firms when a trade size exceeds 25% of 20-day ADV, "as a way to limit settlement risks" (whaaaat?), however the NSCC itself doesn't limit tradeable order sizes.
The deposit is then wired by clearing firms to the NSCC and the money is returned back to the clearing firm when the trade settles at T+3.

The amount of the requirement on subbies pretty much gets out of whack: here are a couple examples:

120,000 share trade @ $0.008 => NSCC deposit requirement of (($0.01x120,000)-($0.008x120_000)) => $1200-$960 = $240. Not much at all, right? Here comes the funny stuff...

10,000,000 share trade @ $0.0001 => NSCC deposit requirement of (($0.01x10,000,000)-($0.0001*10,000,000)) => $100,000-$1,000 = $99,000. The pain!!!

That is, $99,000 has to be wired by the clearing firm to be able to settle a trade worth $1,000! Since those funds are tied for 3 days (T+3) the chunk the brokerage misses on interest revenue of the funds they wire can be considerable. In the above example, at a 10% interest rate, they'd miss (3/365)*0.1*$99,000 = $81.

However Penson, rather than skipping those costs (like eTrade, Scotty and Fidelity do) or charging 'em as an extra fee to customers, they opted by limiting trade size to 10%-20 day ADV and rejecting online orders whose size is greater than that. They also imposed also a buy-in rule where if the NSCC deposit requirement exceeded $50,000, the shares would be bought in at T+1 in the customer account at the current market price of the stock (wouldn't that be unauthorized trading??!!, SEC where are you??!!)

Join the InvestorsHub Community

Register for free to join our community of investors and share your ideas. You will also get access to streaming quotes, interactive charts, trades, portfolio, live options flow and more tools.