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Re: fourkids_9pets post# 3267

Monday, 11/14/2011 5:42:00 PM

Monday, November 14, 2011 5:42:00 PM

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Again you got a lot to learn buddy. If you see the ask "stacked" with what looked like a wall, and then after it get's hit it "goes away" right away, that again has nothing to do with the "market makers", those are trigger trades. If I see someone get on the ask with a big buy, I can jump right behind him at the same price with a large number of shares to make it look like a wall, but I can set a trigger to automatically remove my order once that price gets hit. It's as simple as that bro, no "dirty Market Maker games" needed here.

I can also do "iceberg" sells on the ask where it only shows "X" amount of shares, but every time someone slaps it more MMs keep popping up once one gets knock out.

Like I said before, to the inexperienced this looks like the market makers doing these "tricks" but in reality it's done by the traders. If a market maker moves to a certain price, down ticks, up ticks, puts up a fake wall, hides shares, stacks the ask, etc... etc... etc.. they do it because a trader is routing their orders through and telling the MM to do this at this price or that at this price, not because the MM it self is doing it on it's own.

Your logic and theories are sound, they are how ever incorrect. Those SEC and FINRA reports you are talking about have MUCH more to them than what most people realize. What you see in the report is not usually what you get, which is why you see the discrepancies that you do. Just like most people see the "daily short list" and actually think that is a list of just "short sells" in a stock. In reality that list is made up of market maker trades as well, and market makers are considered "short" if they give shares to a buyer before going out into the market in buying the same amount of shares back. These also get added to that list but you always see people on I hub quoting the daily short list as if it actually showed the exact true numbers of short sells during the day. In reality most of the trades listed on that list are simply normal trades that get recorded as "short sells" due to how they report the sells. So basically the data on that is usually pretty useless when trying to find out how many true shorts sells took place in a stock.

This is just one example of how you can be reading something, and believing it's telling you one thing, but in reality its not what you think.

Again, everything you have brought up about the "market makers" is something that I can do with a few mouse clicks. The market makers them selfs are not doing any of this, it's the traders. Please understand this.


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