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Re: mide post# 2728

Friday, 06/03/2005 9:52:06 PM

Friday, June 03, 2005 9:52:06 PM

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mide
Very interesting.

I have been trying to keep a handle on the new forming trade sizes buys & sells to determine Institutional trading. They also try to hide their moves, to keep unusual price & volume flux inline.

Their motives are not the same as hedge fund managers though. They want to buy as much or sell as much as possible, with out creating a adverse run that will effect their move in or out. Hedge funds want to create the runs, to assist their profit plays.

I had not considered Hedge fund managers, playing GTE yet. And yes, I feel they would be capable of creating a false trading pattern, to trick retail to buy and sell into momentum plays.

At any rate thanks for bringing this to my attention. To date I have not found any trading pattern which shows institutions or hedge funds playing yet. Not saying they aren't, but if they are, they are good at hiding it.

So far the ave trade size, number of trades and EOD volumes are showing a swing trader movement into GTE. Most unusual large block trades, have been accounted for, with corresponding trades, within a day or two. The other day I reported on a 21k trade, that was bought and later, it was sold in 4 equal smaller trades, for a profit. This has happened 3 other times I've caught, without reporting.

I like the way you think. Getting into the minds of the opposition. I try to do the same thing, with MMs, just never have had to worry about hedge fund managers, because I usually play the same channel they play, on off OTC:BB stocks. I've not held a long postion there before, always swing!

All and all the game is the same for institutions, market makers and hedge fund managers. With varying degrees of scruples. Any retail traders should be aware of the opposition and you have helped many become aware of our's on the American exchange.

For most, it is retail against them, when you realize you can't beat them, you should learn their moves and play the same!

Fashion has also pointed out, the good old floor trader, who from time to time, may gap the PPs up or down, to bring a large buyer/seller in an out of the market. This is not considered wrong, because it is normally balanced into the days trading and EOD ends at an appropriate level. But it's good to recognise when it happens. And why, not manupulation, as much as making a market.

You've been member marked and I look forward to you're future input. We never stop learning!

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