Frank /sunpoop again thinking that your message to me was private .As I stated that was then & now is the present & future .Fred imo is not the guy we need to lead edig to profitability . Imo its the Peter principle .BTW ,great sales people don't necessarily make great sales managers & great sales managers don't necessarily make great CEOs .A $67 or so MM loss & never a profit speaks volumes .So ,when woody promoted Fred ,what gave Woody ,the insight to promote Fred to that level ,with a associate degree .Thats incredible .I like Fred personally .It has nothing to do with a like vs dislike .It has all to do with under performing regarless of the economy or competition .In the minors more mistakes are tolerable .However ,this is the major leagues & imo too many errors have been created .