I guess what I had thought rumit is that I had confirmed this very topic on the MA09 line with either Lanza or Caldwell and that is why I posted this link time and time again. http://umassmed.edu/uploadedFiles/umscr/Human%20Embryonic%20Stem%20Cell%20lines%20established%20at%20ACT.pdf Apparently I didn't, senility maybe?..:)