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Re: nebula2012 post# 25000

Thursday, 02/10/2011 6:35:57 PM

Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:35:57 PM

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Neb, you are not dealing with reality, and you are attacking people with claims that are actually wrong on your side.

Let's look at your last two posts.

<<you and your clans constant regurgitaion that every share of volume is caused by Wilf is just beyond ridiculous, without a shred of evidence to back it up.>>

There IS evidence that Wilf has sold shares over and over again. It is that at the end of 2009 the share count was exactly 500 million shares. Yet it ended 2010 at almost 1.5 billion shares. that means just shy of 1 billion shares were sold by the treasury in 2010. That to me is evidence that ... the company is selling shares. WHich is what people said. It can't be ridicuous if the numbers back it up. can it?

Let me ask YOU. Do you not think that the outstanding going from 500 million to 1,500 million shows evidence that shares were sold by the company? If not, please tell me how NOT. I'm rational. I'm NOT one of those "off with Wilf's head" guys. But reality IS reality, and when the volume goes up like this in the past it HAS been followed by numbers at the transfer agent that show that the company sold a LOT of shares. EACH time. So I think reality shows my point to be correct, and your yelling to be irrational. But i"ll listen to how you say there is no evidence, and how you can say it is ridiculous that others claim the company is diluting when it HAS been. PLease share in a rational way why you say there is no evidence that Wilf has sold shares from teh coampny. PLease explain the increase in shares without selling them. I'm truly listening, not being sarcastic. smile

Your second post says <<Kind of hard to sell off a billion shares when total volume (that's BUYS and SELLS) for ENTIRE year of 2010 was 597 million shares>> Also not based in reality. Why? Because many shares are sold by the coimpany in private placement deals. they don't show on your volume ticker, but ARE still sold.

Just look at the outstanding shares as of 12/31/09 and 12/31/10. They show that dilutioN DID happen, and that about 1 billion shares WERE issued (sold) by the company. Whether all of them traded on the open exchange or not is not relevent to the requirement of the company selling them off. SO someone saying the comapny sold almost 1 billion shaes is right. Even if they didn't hit your volume tracker.

Neb, I don't mind your thoughtsOR your take on facts. But when you get uppity and attack other posters for their opinion (Did you see the part where i even emphisazed that today was an opinion of mine that it was possibly Wilf and the company selling? the evidence won't be in for weeks, when the T/A updates numbers. then we'll know for sure.) that is not what this board is here for. I;m not going to attack you as ridiculous. I DO say that your facts are not right. I'll correct them and tell you that the company DID sell almost 1 billionshaers in 2010, and it can be researched and put to bed easily by looking at the financials or the T/A records. But i do it with respect, and without flaming you.

Just look at the facts of when people have said that shares were sold off, and what happened to the outstanding shares those same months. And for the year. then you'll see how what others are saying IS true, and you can deal with those facts instead of an outrage based on emotion and not on fact.

Seem fair to you? I hope. smile Keep posting. I enjoy reading both sides. And i'm long the stock. I still don't like when we are diluted away from any potential of a future. Or when we are flat out lied to by Wilf. I'm still rooting the company on, but when I post that dilution is bad, or that I fear WIlf might be selling some today, don't get on your high horse and start screaming what comes across almost as "no, no, no, that can't be true. it can't You are wrong. Wrong I tell you." Yes, that's how it seems you are reacting when somoene posts negative things (that happen in these two cases to be true)

But I digress. Be well, and keep posting. have a good evening. smile