hasher, to make it perfectly clear: I said "The early bird gets the worm." Now look at the time of this post, <a href='read_msg.asp?message_id=554712'>#msg-554712</a>." You said "... the time of that post was 12.34.04 in the afternoon." You then said "what are you talking about. [sic]" May I conclude: a) you don't know what the "early bird" is, at least in the context of the expression used herein; - 0r - b) early for you is after 9:00 a.m. your time (10:00 a.m. if you count the extra hour you got for adjustment to P.S.T.)? Probably just a linguistic misunderstanding, what with you speaking Canuknikeze with the regional dialect of a Vancouverian. AK