Rustler: I agree with you on some points. Enough so, that I did send Ike an email expressing my concern at how IR is being handled... That being said, equating Minamar with Madoff is a little over the top. I think you're overestimating their influence on the long term direction of this company. The vocal few calling them "criminals" are doing just that. Name calling. I've made money on several of their stocks, and although I find them to be somewhat sloppy in their execution, I don't think there's any big conspiracy here.