That's why I asked...his outlook is mighty grim for someone looking after the board's interest. I guess I'm separating the potential Mina Mar action, from PBLS' past, since I only have a light knowledge of what went on...but why sour the rest of the old-timer's chances to recouping their losses by constantly downplaying the recent positive movement in PPS? I guess for me life is too short to be bitter and hold grudges...you lose some, you win some. This is Pennyland, not Disneyland.