MM You wrote What does the acronym VEL represent? Anything to do with Mark Jurik's VEL? <A HREF="http://www.jurikres.com/catalog/ms_vel.htm#top" target="_new">http://www.jurikres.com/catalog/ms_vel.htm#top</A> answer: Just a plain NO(g) <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hal1/" target="_new">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hal1/</A> Larry Dudash