simply trying to stay positive and offer ideas
We see no benefit in "joining" some sort of private/clandestine consortium that probably includes competitors, former employees, and "malcontents on a mission."
Nothing to hide--open forum here is fine.
We have no unique knowledge of Teak H&P (harvest & process) costs; TATF has indicated that to fell, mill, & dry--$.29/B-F could be deducted from proceeds if you elect for them to sell your lumber.
This cost is to escalate/inflate at the same rate as teak lumber.
Our $.30 is just an escalation suggestion for 2010.
Since H&P would be deducted from proceeds anyhow; and, some folks want to get thin/harvest done now, our idea was to offer upfront H&P funds to get going.
Jan, are you trying to figure out how TATF could be more efficient in H&P?
What, exactly are you trying to "negotiate?"
TATF has 3-4MM B/F of experience; "ju" says he is talking only about young teak (fence posts) and says he has no specific knowledge how to do it for $.20; no idea where he got $.40?
Believe you are going to need heavy equipment--loggers, skidders, tractors, etc. to move mature trees and logs. Their costs, as well as labor and materials, need to be included in what Tree Owners are charged--don't you think?
We are simply trying to suggest how legitimate Tree Owners can be of assistance, in my opinion (no facts, other than what we read), in helping TATF/TAH/Raleo' become more fully functional, now!
Lets assume, shall we, that they have all the needed market research, customer analysis(both lumber and value-added products), recruiting/hiring, and game plans; we suggest these might be now helpful:
operating funds from trees you purchase
upfront your H&P costs &/or C&M fees
loans
proceeds from their lot sale
buy lumber
buy Raleo' products
capital for value-add equipment
Lets quit playing: "ain't it awful," my thinning report isn't here yet, or my "enlightened" email is not answered, or they won't take/return my obscene phone call.
Rather than offering baseless/opinionated, unsolicited advice (the very worst kind) to TATF/TAH/Raleo', suggest you offer any of the above and see what response you get.
Please report back here.
How about a paradigm shift here on this forum?
