Health Sciences Group Inc (HESG)

[ICEQUITY]

YOUR RIGHT HESG FLOAT NOT 100 MILLION IT IS 180 MILLION MINIMUM

FLOAT WAS 600M WHEN 2.2B OUTSTANDING With 5B AUTHORIZED
FLOAT= 30% of Outstanding
__________________________________ PROVEN


RETIRED 2 BILLION HESG SHARES ______ WILL BE PROVEN FACT

1.5B BOUGHT From Authorized/ Then Retired /FACT?

500M CEO Personal = -From FLOAT/FACT?


United States regulations

In the United States, buybacks are covered by multiple laws.
According to SEC Rule 10b-18:
One Broker-dealer per Day: The company repurchasing shares may not use more than one broker or dealer to acquire the shares per each day.
Timing of Purchase: A repurchase may not be the first trade of the day. Repurchases may not be made in the last ten minutes of the trading day. These rules do not apply to over-the-counter securities.
Purchase Price: A repurchase may not be bid at a price higher than the highest independent bid or last price of the last trade.
Volume: Repurchases per day may not exceed 25% of the average daily volume of the previous 4 calendar weeks. Block purchases not effected by a broker-dealer are excluded from this restriction.

A treasury stock or reacquired stock is stock which is bought back by the issuing company, reducing the amount of outstanding stock on the open market ("open market" including insiders' holdings).
Stock repurchases are often used as a tax-efficient method to put cash into shareholders' hands, rather than pay dividends. Sometimes, companies do this when they feel that their stock is undervalued on the open market. Other times, companies do this to provide a "bonus" to incentive compensation plans for employees. Rather than receive cash, recipients receive an asset that might appreciate in value faster than cash saved in a bank account. Another motive for stock repurchase is to protect the company against a takeover threat.

THEREFORE I BELIEVE 1.5 BILLION WAS PART OF THE 2.2 BILLION OUTSTANDING
SINCE MARCH MODUS DEAL WAS EARLY IN THE YEAR 2.2B INCLUDED 1.5BILLION
FOR MODUS DEAL.

Restricted and Float
When you look a little closer at the quotes for a company, you may see some obscure terms that you've never encountered before. For instance, restricted shares refer to a company's issued stock that cannot be bought or sold without special permission by the SEC. Often, this type of stock is given to insiders as part of their salaries or as additional benefits. Another term that you may encounter is 'float'. This refers to a company's shares that are freely bought and sold without restrictions in the public. Denoting the greatest proportion of stocks trading on the exchanges, the float consists of regular shares that many of us will hear or read about in the news.

THEREFORE TOMS SHARES 500 MILLION CAME FROM FLOAT

BEST TOM YTD.......WILL BE THE BEST FACT$

600M - 500M = 100 Million FLOAT

2.2B - 1.5B = 700 Million OUTSTANDING INCLUDING FLOAT

700 Million - 3 BILLION AUTHORIZED

2.3 BILLION LEFT IN TREASURY

Treasury Stock (Treasury Shares)
What Does Treasury Stock (Treasury Shares) Mean?
The portion of shares that a company keeps in their own treasury. Treasury stock may have come from a repurchase or buyback from shareholders; or it may have never been issued to the public in the first place. These shares don't pay dividends, have no voting rights, and should not be included in shares outstanding calculations.

Investopedia explains Treasury Stock (Treasury Shares)
Treasury stock is often created when shares of a company are initially issued. In this case, not all shares are issued to the public, as some are kept in the companies treasury to be used to create extra cash should it be needed. Another reason may be to keep a controlling interest within the treasury to help ward off hostile takeovers.

Alternatively, treasury stock can be created when a company does a share buyback and purchases its shares on the open market. This can be advantageous to shareholders because it lowers the number of shares outstanding. However, not all buybacks are a good thing. For example, if a company merely buys stock to improve financial ratios such as EPS or P/E, then the buyback is detrimental to the shareholders, and it is done without the shareholders' best interests in mind.

TOTAL COUNT

3 BILLION AUTHORIZED

520 MILLION OUTSTANDING PLUS 180 MILLION FLOAT

ANY BUY VOLUME OVER 700 MILLION

WILL BE BOUGHT FROM 2.3 BILLION HAD IN TREASURY (IN & OUT) STANDING

company has an authorized amount of stock it can issue legally. Of this amount, the total number of shares owned by investors, including the company's officers and insiders (the owners of restricted stock), is known as the shares outstanding. The number available only to the public to buy and sell is known as the float.

Treasury stocks are shares that were once a part of the float and shares outstanding but were subsequently repurchased by the company and decommissioned. These stocks do not have voting rights and do not pay any distributions. A company can decide to hold onto treasury stocks indefinitely, reissue them to the public, or even cancel them.

FLOAT RANGE 100M - 700M= 30% OF AUTHORIZED

OUTSTANDING 700M to 3 BILLION = AUTHORIZED 700M to 3 BILLION

ID SUPERMONEY SAYS

We may own only 1.2 billion of the float of min 1.4 billion shares!!

LEAVES 900 MILLION LEFT FOR PURCHASE OUT OF TREASURY
WHICH WILL BE PURCHASED OUT OF TREASURY AFTER A PURCHASE VOLUME OF 700M -900M
AND HIGHER WILL = 3 BILLION SHARES AUTHORIZED AND OUTSTANDING WITH 700 MILLION IN FLOAT AND 0 SHARES IN TREASURY AND FULLY DILUTED IN 900 MILLION MORE SHARES SOLD FROM TREASURY. VALUE OF PPS WAS NOT ADJUSTED AFTER RETIREMENT DO TO TRADING HALT.

LIKE SAID, WE COULD SELL PLASTIC DOG POOP AND THIS WOULD FLY. GOOD THING WE HAVE BETTER PLANS. THIS BUSINESS MODEL SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY OTHER PENNY STOCKS.. IT BEATS SPLITS AND REVERSE SPLITS EVEN ON THEiR BEST DAYS

If you ask its management, they’ll likely tell you that a buyback is the best use of capital at a
particular time. After all, the goal of a firm's management is to maximize return for shareholders, and a buyback generally increases shareholder value

Conclusion
Are share buybacks good or bad? As is so often the case in finance, the question may not have a definitive answer. If a stock is undervalued and a buyback truly represents the best possible investment for a company, the buyback - and its effects - can be viewed as a positive sign for shareholders. Watch out, however, if a company is merely using buybacks to prop up ratios, provide short-term relief to an ailing stock price or to get out from under excessive dilution.

NITE AVAILABLE HESG SHORT 450,000 AVERAGE 0 - 1.5 MILLION


DETAILMANS GOOD POST
Posted by: detailman Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:05:01 PM
In reply to: None Post # of 40201
Saturday, December 12, 2009 What the #$&@
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=44470177

There are so many people scratching their heads with this stock. We were expecting a PR last Wednesday, but it never happened. Rather it was postponed to the following week at least we hope we get some news on Monday. Ever since HESG’s PPS grew to the mid 0.0020 range it took a ‘hit’ and tumbled all the way down back to 0.0007. As it began dropping people began loading up, as its volume grew substantially.
Posted by: detailman Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:05:01 PM
In reply to: None Post # of 40201
Saturday, December 12, 2009 What the #$&@

I AGREE WITH RETIRE BUT NOT THAT EARLY
STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH LEAVING AMMO IN ENEMY HANDS
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Posted by: RetireEarly38 Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009 10:30:16 PM
In reply to: None Post # of 40201

I think HESG is being punished for beating a lot of DOW medical stocks to the punch in this Niche Sector. They are now the most envied stock in the on Wallstreet in my opinion because they are a fraking sub penny stock that is the front runner of a sector that has not even been tapped into yet. This is why I feel the stock has been punished by these brokerages who know if they release that buying freeze on this stock...........MAN THIS STOCK MAY SEE A PENNY IN ONE DAY......so many people are on pins and needles waiting for the TD Ameritrade and Scottrade rstriction to be lifted. They have cash in their accounts waiting big time.


Posted by: ICEQUITY Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:33:34 PM
In reply to: just8 who wrote msg# 40086 Post # of 40204

IF WE CAN GET A COUNT FOR SCOTTRAID & TD HESG SHARES...
WE WILL KNOW THE CARDS NITE HOLDS


Posted by: tvmetguy INTERESTING THOUGHT
Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009 1:43:11 PM
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msgs.aspx?board_id=3484&NextStart=39886&BatchSize=10In reply to: wylder111 who wrote msg# 39873 Post # of 40207
The 1.5 billion shares aquired/retired came out of the 1.6 billion restricted shares reported as of March 9th 2009. I wouldn't be surprised if HESG gave some of those shares to MJNA for their help. They key is that the CEO retired 500 million of his own shares. This must have come out of the float.

HESG wants to be on par with MJNA, at about .20 cents per share. The only realistic way to do this is to have an O/S of less than 500 million. IMO, the current O/S strucutre is 100 million float, 100 million restricted with Tom owning the 100 million restricted. HESG will have to give shares though to other entities for aquisitions. In the end I see and O/S of 300-500 million.

If we can get revenue of 5-10 million for 2010, we will have a PPS of .20.

Keep in mind if our PPS can get to .10 or .20, giving a company 10 million shares is 1-2 million dollars. Tom doesn't want to give billions of crap shares away now, I"m waiting for our pop, which I hope starts this week.

Posted by: mwab52 I AGREE HOW LUCKY WE WOUL BE!
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msgs.aspx?board_id=3484&NextStart=40096&BatchSize=10
Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:37:55 PM
In reply to: ICEQUITY who wrote msg# 40056 Post # of 40204
mwab52....icequity....dont you think (mm) will let it run up to .0020 or .0024 to encourage selling?....most ppl at .0008 or .0009 will sell to take profits & change there position...on any pull back???

Posted by: ID Supermoney Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:42:29 PM
In reply to: just8 who wrote msg# 40017 Post # of 40205
We may own only 1.2 billion of the float of min 1.4 billion shares!!


Yes there is a squeeze here how big we do not KNOW!!

the actual float may even be up to the max of 3.0 billion shares!!


But when people say that the float is ONLY 100 million!!

Then I will stand against this bulls**t!!!!!!!

CURRENT SHARE COUNT

Posted by: sasi Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009 6:43:00 PM
In reply to: None Post # of 40205
1.178B-120 Shareholders

1:00pm HESG Share Holders… Total Shares 1.172B (over 118 share holders identified)

I have a question for the group as well: someone indicated there were 3 separate groups tracking this stock – perhaps on other boards - YMB?. Can someone combine (even if simply the totals) the share count to ascertain a reliable A/S count?

SHORT COUNT MAY HAVE UP TO 600,00 LISTED SPECULATIONS 600M to 6B NAKED
http://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/trading/ViewShortableStocks.php?key=hesg&cntry=usa&tag=United+States&ib_entity=llc&ln=

NITE - Knight Equity Markets, L.P.

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November 2009 October 2009 Year-to-Date
Volume Rank % Volume Rank % Volume Rank %
Total Share Volume 110,261,120,414
HESG
HEALTH SCIENCES GR
10,658,389,081 1 65 952,712,043 1 56 16,895,939,511 1 58



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YOU SHOULD NOT BE READING THIS RETURN FROM WHERE YOU CAME

OLD NOOBS NEWS

THINK ABOUT HOW MANY...HEADS WILL ROLL, MOST STILL HAVE NOT RECOVERED FROM LAST YEAR..WHAT WOULD BE YOUR EXCUSE FOR NOT MAKING MONEY IN 2009?

THIS IS HOW I KNOW HELP IS ALREADY HERE...

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PINKS of Course
http://www.pinksheets.com/pink/index.jsp
http://www.pinkotc.com/corporate/in-stockinfo.html
http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/HESG/tab/4
http://www.mffais.com/hesg.ob

Why all the interest in the from the big leagues?, Can you see where Tom bought?

I think he flip it 2B@.002 =2Million
Before he retired them
Tom use to Trade, not bad, not bad at all

ASSETS
Asset Turnover 0.01 10.88
Assets per Employee $2.1M

7.0E-4 = Last Trade WTF? They out of shares

BIG BOYS DONT PLAY WITH PINKs except for this one because HESG is GREEN

THE Q' FOR CEO PLUS BLOG COMMENTS


Thanks For Your Comments

Huntinvest.com Securities and Investment Forums Respond

I doubt of any officers of Health Science Group (HSEG) or anyone with an IQ

above Chicagos' temperature (18º) follow this crap ($0.0007/sh.) in this
N/G....
What is this statement supposed to mean <<Do you believe there to be Moral
Hazard or Conflicts of Interest, effecting those HESG shareholders with or
without brokerage accounts at Scottrade?>>
Even if you have a million shares, you're talking about $700.......
Why don't you just sell this dog, take your tax loss, go to Atlantic City
put it the proceeds on the "00" to end your misery........

Questions Regarding Buying Halt For HESG/Health Sc... Blash 12-11-2009


http://www.zerohedge.com/article/sec-votes-unanimously-favor-dark-pool-regulation#comment-161367

ZERO HEDGE BLOG TO CEO

Still Waiting For CEO's Response, Please Forward Q's To Them. Thanks

The Proposal That Has Dark Pools Sweating; The Dark Pool Vs. HFT Scramble Is About To Enter Round Two

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 12/11/2009 15:11 -0800

200 CRAP Dark Pools Equities Goldman Goldman Sachs hedge Hedge Funds HFT High Frequency Trading Insider Trading Jim Simons Kaufman money Morgan Stanley New York Stock Exchange NYSE OTC Post-Trade Predatory Algos SEC Sergey Aleynikov Sigma X SLP Tabb Volume

Dark pool operators, who have quietly been redirecting shady order flow via dark pools of "liquidity" with minimal supervision and below the radar for many years, are getting spooked by a proposed SEC rule which would have these same dark pools identifying their trades in real time, thus removing the benefits associated with what is effectively an OTC equities market (yet one to which an ever-increasing order flow, by some estimates up to 25% of all share transaction, are covertly being rerouted).

Amusingly, Goldman Sachs takes upon itself to voice what the "consensual" opinion of the buyside is, even though the firm is, at least on the surface, a sell-side organization:

"There's significant reservation from the buyside about symbol-specific real-time reporting," said Dave Johnsen, head of equities business development at Goldman Sachs Electronic Trading. "It's not welcome by long-term investors." Goldman operates the Sigma X dark pool, which is the industry's second-largest.
Are these the same investors, of which, according to Tabb, 50%+ find nothing wrong whatsoever with High Frequency Trading as well? My, my: between finding no flaws with the HFT front-running brigade (we will discuss another issue: Sub-Pennying, shortly - a totally different way you are getting scammed and didn't know it) and with the insider trading Dark Pool syndicate, the buyside community is really dying to keep getting ripped and raped by exchanges/ATS/dealers. At this rate hedge funds will need to charge 5 and 50 just to cover their transaction costs (as market neutral funds have recently come to discover).

More details on the proposal that has Goldman's Sigma X henchmen sweating and making pretty presentations for the confused SEC drones, courtesy of Traders Magazine:

The SEC in mid-November proposed several rule changes that would affect dark pools. One proposal would require dark pool trades to be attributed in real time to the dark pool where they occurred. All dark pool trades already print to the consolidated tape in real time, but they are identified simply as over-the-counter trades.

Under this proposal, all dark pools would have to identify their trades, unless those trades have a market value of at least $200,000.The SEC recommended this exception to its proposed post-trade reporting rule to avoid hurting institutions that are working big orders.

"Our clients have said that it could introduce potential inconvenience without material benefit," Johnsen noted. "These investors aren't saying, 'I'd prefer symbol-specific volume from each dark pool rather than pool-level information."
Of course, if Johnsen had his way pool-level, and in fac any-level information would be completely curtailed. After all any information leakage from Sigma X could only potentially go to make money for such HFT platforms as... the Supplementary Liquidity Provider NYSE initiative. Which is still thoroughly monopolized by Goldman. Then again, Mr. Johnsen has nothing against monopolies either. And lo and behold: Johnsen read our minds -

In his view, certain high-frequency trading shops could benefit more from that information than traditional buyside firms, since the former tend to be more reliant on market data to fuel their strategies. "It could empower that segment of the market more than longer-term investors," Johnsen said.
Why not just trade all equities OTC with no reporting responsibilities? Morgan Stanley seems to be a fan of that idea:

Morgan Stanley also thinks real-time attribution would affect the ability of institutions to trade quietly in dark pools. "Real-time attribution to a dark pool would impact volume in dark pools," said Andrew Silverman, global co-head of electronic trading at the broker-dealer. "Long-onlies would be less likely to put orders into dark pools," because of information leakage concerns. Morgan Stanley operates two dark pools.
Cause the last thing anyone would want is for long-onlies to trade on the same venue as everyone else, and be subject to the same limitations. Ah, but then how would Goldman and MS earn their "premium" fees. Yet wasn't Sergey Aleynikov a part of the Goldman algo brigade? Surely he would disagree with Goldman's Johnsen... if he didn't have a gag order of course.

Which brings up an interesting point: all the HFTs out there claim they have the most legit, innocent and altruistic intentions when they let lose a bunch of predatory algos to rip, steal and frontrun the crap out of the "long-onlies." Yet the dark pool guys are saying they need to exist because of the dangers of high frequency trading... So who is lying? The simplest resolution to it all is, once again, to do away with the adverse selection characteristics of HFT (and HFT in total if need be), and to move all dark pool operations to open exchanges, so that the market will no longer be multi-tiered to the point where one's head spins in trying to make sense of just how many different ways one is being robbed.

That way those so highly valued "long-onlies" won't suffer, poor things.

Some more on this, from Kevin Cronin, head of equity trading at Invesco:

"Real-time information about where dark pool prints take place would harm institutions. Identifying the source of dark pool prints will benefit high-frequency traders. That absolutely is not good from an institutional perspective," he said."
But wait, wait, wait: didn't Invesco presumably among most others, claim that HFT is benign and in fact good for the future of humanity? It appears not:

"As more blocks are traded in algorithms, there is the potential for more information leakage with real-time, venue-specific reporting of smaller trades. People can see the small trades and try to figure out whether there's an aggressive buyer or seller in a particular venue."
Hm... Something definitely is fishy here. We would suggest that Senator Kaufman have a nice little prisoners' dilemma experiment: in one room stick Dave Johnsen of Goldman, and in other have Jim Simons (quick, 20 more day and he retires). Then do a good cop/bad cop routine until one rats out the other. Then ban both.

Of course, in a market so terminally broken as our currently is, getting rid of dark pools or HFT exclusively, will do nothing but make the adversary stronger. Which is why we sure hope that the SEC's regulatory overhaul of market structure is proceeding well (and hopefully not 10 years behind plan already), because at the end of the day nothing short of a revolutionary change in the way any given block of shares is traded (and front run by Mr. Johnsen's very own colleagues over at the NYSE' SLP division), will get the retail investor, pardon, speculator, back in this corrupt and manipulated market.

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by cougar_w
on Fri, 12/11/2009 - 15:14
#160681

"Someone is lying."

Just some "one"? Why can't they all be lying?

Oh, maybe that was your point.

Never mind!

reply flag as junk (0)

by † h i n k f i s h
on Sat, 12/12/2009 - 12:40
#161377



Lets move pass the Lies, What matters to me is the Truth.by † h i n k f i s h
on Sat, 12/12/2009 - 12:10
#161367





I'm fishing in these dark pools for Answers to my Question's...

Regarding Buying Halt For Health Science Group (HESG.PK) Last Trade .0007

I would like to address these questions to the following two CEO Executives...

Mr. Thomas Gaffney, CEO of Health Science Group,

Mr. Roger O. Riney Chief Executive Officer of Scottrade and currently President of Knight Trading Group. If You Gentlemen would be so kind as to enlighten account and HESG shareholders by answering the following questions.

The Q's Do you believe there to be Moral Hazard or Conflicts of Interest, effecting those HESG shareholders with or without brokerage accounts at Scottrade? What are the discrepancy that have caused a buying Halt for many of Health Science Group Investors.? Most Retail Brokerages have no buying halts on HESG stock, except for Scottrade and TD Ameritrade where a buying halt has been placed for HESG.

These are questions directed to Knight Capital Group, who are currently the Largest Market Maker's for HESG equities. "Knight provides trade executions by offering to buy securities from, or sell securities to, institutions and broker dealers". In the current Holding Reports, it states that Knight Capital Group has no direct holdings in HESG equities..... Therefore HESG shares must be borrowed or bought from other brokerages like Scottrade. My question is regarding the HESG shares that are bought and borrowed by NITE, while Scottrade account holders are still faced with a buying halt. Are any of these shares then used for shorting the same shares they have just borrowed from? Mr. Riney not to include yourself; But how do you decide which best interest comes first, the CEO of Scottrade or President KNIGHT TRADING GROUP? Now I'd like to thank you gentlemen, ahead of time from all the HESG Investors for attempting to make these issues more transparent and fair for us all.

May We Find Good Luck, & Peace...

God Bless.

I.C.Stockwell aka † h i n k f i s h



KNIGHT CAPITAL GROUP, INC.

FORM 13F-HR

(Form 13F Holdings Report)

Filed 11/13/09 for the Period Ending 09/30/09

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I doubt of any officers of Health Science Group (HSEG) or anyone with an IQ

above Chicagos' temperature (18º) follow this crap ($0.0007/sh.) in this
N/G....
What is this statement supposed to mean <<Do you believe there to be Moral
Hazard or Conflicts of Interest, effecting those HESG shareholders with or
without brokerage accounts at Scottrade?>>
Even if you have a million shares, you're talking about $700.......
Why don't you just sell this dog, take your tax loss, go to Atlantic City
put it the proceeds on the "00" to end your misery........

Questions Regarding Buying Halt For HESG/Health Sc...Blash12-11-2009

Reversal_Of_Fortunes,_HESG's_Is_Taking_"Their"_Market_Back...With_Fairness_The_Only_Change.

Spirit of HESG, Undaunted-by-Adversity-and-Unsurpassed
We can rush the count by dumping those who dumped HESG ...

All trading Platforms must treat and trade each stock equal with no Favoritism or Bias..PERIOD

We need to stick together they Divide us they WILL win,
If we regroup and hold our shares we WILL.

GOD WILLING
† h i n k f i s h