I got into VGPR at 0.009 - 0.012 I did okay in the stock, the two horrible things about VGPR was 1, they broke the biggest news that they could have ever broken (truly amazing news IMO)and the stock that day traded flat (open 0.019 close 0.019),I have never accused you of being a dummy so you saw what I saw, every time news small pump the company dump, they are idiots the stock would have gone much higher if they did not dilute and sell on all news. I think at some point it might still be a play, currently they need to hold what ever shares they or their selling counter part have. I do believe it can go back up if they just let the dam thing breath for a minute. For some reason where you have the biggest money in the CEO"S do not want to play fair. The only holding I have in your deals is MDGC, every time I think we have eaten through the dilution it seems like they get the presses fired up again. It seems like there are enough interested parties out there that will eat more dilution but sooner or later I am in hopes we can see 0.04 there. The last stock you mentioned Anwm is the most solid pink in the market IMO, I have millions of shares as I think you are aware, I do believe it will out preform almost any pink in 2010. I never hold pinks for more that 3 months but I have had Anwm since it's inception about 4 years ago. I matched up two market makers back then and did the first trade ever on it.