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Junkyard's Forced Buy-In Explanation with more comments

Subject: Jawz, care to comment?

Jawz,
I've been trying to get my head around Sterling's double
short/double cover strategy for a while (never really got it but
thought the idea has merit).
This post from Ihub seems to be along the same lines. It appears to
me the theory is simple, logical, and explains the crazy volume and
price movement over the past two weeks. I especially like in that it
attemps to explain what the Counter move the MM would make once they
know the original short plan is failing. hmmmmm......
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COMMENT BY JAWZ:
FIRST, IF YOU HAVE NOT DONE SO, IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT YOU READ THE
INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY ARTICLE EXPLAINING STOCKGATE.

IT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT THE DTCC IS THE PRIMARY CULPRIT IN THE USA
COLLABORATING IN THE ECONOMIC TERRORISM AGAINST AMERICAN COMPANIES.
THERE ARE OTHER PLAYERS: TERRORISTS USING THE BERLIN STOCK EXCHANGE;
OFF-SHORE HEDGE FUNDS, ETC - BUT MOST RELY ON THE DTCC TO
AUTHENTICATE THE FABRICATION OF COUNTERFEIT SHARES THROUGH
ITS "STOCK BORROW PROGRAM"

THIS IS SIMPLY IMPERATIVE TO COMPREHEND:
THE DTCC IS THE MAIN PROBLEM; WITH ITS COLLUSSION, COUNTERFEITING
WOULD BE VERY MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.


BTW, THE DTCC IS A SUBSIDIARY OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM.
(SINCE I BELIEVE CONSPIRACY THEORIES ARE INDEED PLAUSIBLE, JAWZ IS
OF THE OPINION THAT THE FEDS USE THE DTCC TO "CREATE BILLIONS AND
TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT IS "OFF THE BOOKS" IN ORDER TO FUND BLACK
OPERATIONS BY THE CIA, NSC, COVERT WARS, ETC, ETC. IMHO THEY HAVE
FOUND THIS TO BE A LESS VIOLENT ALTERNATIVE TO THE CIA BEING AN
ACTIVE PLAYER IN THE DRUG TRIANGLE IN ORDER TO GENERATE FUNDS FOR
ITS OPS. THE SECRET GOV'T THAT RUNS EVERYTHING HAS LITERALLY
FLEECED ANYWHERE FROM 2 TO 3 TRILLION DOLLARS FROM ITS OWN TAX-
PAYING AMERICAN CORPORATIONS AND CITIZENS. THESE UNACCOUNTABLE
GODLESS CORRUPT ANIMALS TREAT THEIR OWN CITIZENS LIKE SHEEP TO BE
FLEECED AND SLAUGHTERED FOR THEIR OWN BENEFIT. THAT'S WHAT I THINK.

I THINK THAT CENTRAL CONTROL IS THE PROBLEM AND THAT WE ARE ALL
SLAVES UNTIL WE DISEMPOWER THE FEDERAL LEVIATHIN THAT HAS GROWN
TOTALLY UNACCOUNTABLE.

I THINK THAT THIS COULD EASILY BECOME
D ROGER GLENN & ELLIOT SPITZER VS. THE DTCC & FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM

IF IT WERE ALLOWED TO GO TO COURT
BUT OF COURSE IT WOULD NOT

(BOTH GLENN AND SPITZER WOULD HAVE "ACCIDENTS" IF IT DID)

THAT IS WHY COURT IS NOT AN OPTION FOR ROGER.

BTW, SOME OF THE PLAYERS IN THIS SAGA ARE TERRORISTS AS WELL AS ALL
FIVE OF THE RULING NY MAFIA FAMILIES.

AND IF YOU DO THINK THAT ANYTHING I HAVE SAID ABOVE IS FAR-FETCHED,
THEN I APPLAUD YOUR ABILITY TO REMAIN NAIEVE.

IBD STOCK-GATE STORY:

http://www.investors.com/breakingnews.asp?journalid=23425161&brk=1

http://tinyurl.com/634f6

WRITTEN OUT IN A PREVIOUS POST:

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/shortsharks/message/13237

NOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE DTCC IS MERELY PROVIDING TRILLIONS
OF DOLLARS TO THE SECRET GOVERNMENT FOR GOD-ONLY-KNOWS-WHAT,
DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THEY ARE GOING TO ALLOW ANYBODY TO MAKE
THEIR GOLDEN GOOSE STOP LAYING EGGS?

HUH ? ?

UTWEG: IS THERE A BEDROOM IN YOUR BASEMENT?
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Does anyone have any bullets to shoot at this one?? i.e SEC forced
buy in - I don't have experience with that reg. yet.

CMKX: FORCED BUY-IN @Canuck's proboard32 by junk

http://tinyurl.com/6rujg

Pretty interesting thread

Pulled from cmkxdiamond.proboards 32 junkyard thread

Topic: if there is a forced buy-in underway... (Read 558 times)

junkyard71
Dr. Of Diamonds

Posts: 238
if there is a forced buy-in underway...
« Thread started on: Today at 12:56pm »

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the sec and the dtc will use fed calls to buy in illegal shorts for
x days in a row, then they will let the stock "rest" for a day or
two... (no forced buys at market)

then they do it again... and again etc...

junk (sitting here buy the dips...)


Posts: 238
Re: if there is a forced buy-in underway...
« Reply #3 on: Today at 1:13pm »

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i also believe cmkx is trading here due to roger and the sec and the
dtc...

i believe illegal stock (held by hedge funds who shorted gobs of it
to themselves in addition to the massive gobs they previously sold
to us lowly retailers) is being forced to be returned to the market
at their "cost" or less.

i believe uc is advertising cmkx (so blatently) for this reason...
and i believe this has been going on for some time...

i also believe that these naked short hedgefunds have sold into the
public float hundreds and hundreds of billions of shares that they
cannot buy back at these prices... non of us selling... and that
these shares will propel a short squeeze like none ever seen
before...

but first things first... all illegal shares currently held by any
naked short related hedgefund are being legally returned to the
market at a minimum price...

some of these are likely being used to 'cover' other naked shorted
shares and some are still being scooped up by cmkx'ers..

there is lots of "churning" going on to mask these trades but this
is what i see anyway...

so my theory is feds take away all illegal long shares these
stockgate scammers are holding (they had hoped to use gains on them
to dump on a cmkx pps spike and then actually cover some of their
real naked short position as cmkx fell back after such spikes...

i'll call it the "failed double short and now we have to cover on
the moon theory"

glta! <- me watching this unfold...

junk

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i believe ucad is being "fed called" where the sec / dtc are forcing
cmkx nns issuers to buy ucad to cover the dividends the dtc is
obligated to issue...

i believe, from memory of once knowing how this works... (its been a
long time since those days) that the fed calls are used x days in a
row... x is based on a schedule of how many days are slotted to
clear up the imbalance of shares. times how many shares are needed
to be bought.

say the dtc needed 100 ucad shares and the sec had set 10 days to
buy them in. the dtc would create a schedule to buy 15 shares a day
for 3 days (45 shares) then let the stock rest for 2 days (see if
retail holders want to sell at current market prices) 5 of 10 days
have now passed. if the 55 remaining shares are bought in a rest
period, no problem... if not then the dtc will force 15 more shares
a day for 3 days etc...

of course with ucad i believe nns'ers need multi-millions of ucad
shares... they simply don't exist in the o/s... the 3:1 split is in
hopes that some holders will sell some shares as ucad climbs... but
if i'm right that will not be nearly enough liquidity... so...

ucad will soon announce a secondary offering. ucad will sell x
million new shares into the market (my guess 10 million @ $10 post
split) ucad will raise 100 million dollars for their coffers and
there will be enough ucad available for cmkx nns'ers to buy and pay
us our dividend...

based on the ucad restriction they have a year to do this... i would
be sure the sec and dtc have a schedule of maybe 90 days or less..
ucad might be a very pricy stock when all this is over... most short
squeezes do not hold once the squeeze is over... i can imagine ucad
will see $50 or better and over time settle into the teens post
split / post squeeze... but then "value" will be a factor.. right
now ucad price has nothing at all to do with value...

junk


Re: if there is a forced buy-in underway...
« Reply #12 on: Today at 2:24pm »

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on Today at 1:57pm, gdh wrote:Thanks Junk. One part I don't
understand:

"all illegal shares currently held by any naked short related
hedgefund are being legally returned to the market at a minimum
price..."

But naked shorts don't own any CMKX, hence they are "short". So how
can they be returning any shares to the market when they never
bought any shares to return?


i think of it as two levels of naked short shares... the first
started a few years ago when cmkx was targeted as a cellar-boxer by
hedgefunds running the stockgate scam.

they "issued" hundreds of billions of naked short shares to the
public and are the "real" naked short position...

but then cmkx became credible as a real company... nns'er said F@&#$
and, realizing they couldn't buy a tiny fraction of the nns shares
back at anywhere near reasonable (to them) prices... (see the run
to .0012)

they have been scrambling since... some surely added massive naked
shorts into the run back then, but unlike "most" pinkies they found
that we retailers were soaking up all they could sell and more and
yet we retailers were not bailing out at all... or at any price.

once roger glen and the dividends came to be, those seriously naked
shore cmkx (who had sold 100% of that stock into the clutches of
dedicated retail longs) decided they would naked short gobs more
stock but this time to themselves.

now they hold a bazillion naked short shares sold to us, plus a few
billion naked shorts they sold to themselves...

the second set is called a boxed position (both long and short the
same stock) trading a boxed position is called a dogleg trade
because they can sell the shares into the market after a spike (say
maybe .10 a share) buy dumping a few billion shares at market
say .10 and .09 and .08 etc they can drive cmkx down some and make a
pile of cash... when it falls "enough" they use limit orders at
say .005 to buy it all back, and hopefully more to start to cover
their "real" problem... all the naked shares they sold us....

it's a "game" they can play all the way up... if... if they can get
positioned before the run starts... they can play the swings cmkx
will surely have and they can somewhat control how big the swings
are...

however if i'm right and the sec / dtc / roger glen have identified
the shares they sold as illegal and they are being "taken away" from
them, then the nns'ers are left with no real ammo to milk a cmkx pps
run at all...

the sec can force the sale of these "shorted to themselves" shares
and then it is up to the party they forced to sell to decide if they
want to buy them to cover the naked short position they created when
they issued the 'fake' shares in the first place... either way the
shares were created in the open market and must be sold into the
open market...

the fund can try to buy 100% of them back, but while they are trying
we retailers (and anyone else) can hit the ask and get some of these
shares also...

i agree it's a bit confusing... i have a hard time writing about it
without using pages and pages and much editing to get it laid out
right...

i'll try over a few days here to write it out and boil it down so it
(as a theory) might be a viable contribution to this forum.

glta! <- i can't help this... all in all cmkx and this saga is just
too amazing!

junk
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FROM CANUCK HIMSELF:
BD,

IMO junkyard is the original georgeburns..... he's just laid a lot
lower over the past 6 months or so (and probably longer, all the
months have blurred together... October is #8 for me), poking his
head in with comments occasionally....

Not to disparage gb in any way..... the more the merrier IMO when it
comes to people willing to apply their abilities to our myriad
questions...

Thanks for sharing this junk, and don't be shy about composing the
massive post you alluded to above... I'm sure it would be welcomed
here!
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one would nearly have to write a novel to spell out what is
happening here if it were to be comprehensive enough to include
everything observed over the last (say) 24 months...

the first 12 of those 24 months are easier to sum-up...

cmkx was cellar-boxed by a scandel that only recently is being
exposed. stockgate.

stockgate was supposed to kill cmkx and by now (10/04) the story was
susposed to be over, cmkx either bankrupt or on it's deathbed...

those who ran the scam of naked shorting cmkx into it's grave would
now be shuffling hundreds of billions of worthless cmkx shares
issued to the retail market into the circular file as retailers
couldn't even sell them back to them since cmkx would have no bid.
all a retailer could do is ask their broker to 'zero' the account
for no commission so they could take the tax loss...

but somehow cmkx didn't die... in fact, instead it may well have
transmongifide into the greatest stock opportunity ever... created,
unwittingly of course, by the same scammers who were deadly serious
in their attempt to kill the company and the stock with a "PROVEN"
scam that has worked flawlessly for nearly a decade.

why it didn't work is a combination of several variables: there are
diamonds in canada... sask is proving to be a huge diversified
mineral deposit... cmkx controls the mineral rights for MOST of
sask! ... the naked short scandal dubbed "stockgate" is unraveling
and in fact turning into a trap that will catch it's creators as it
is exposed...

D. Roger Glenn

ok, so the shorts realized they were toast and needed out way back
in june, for the denser or more stubborn scammers at least by oct
7th...

how do you buy 100 billion shares on the open market?

with a pinkie you scare the bejesus outta the retail "sheep" you
sold them to... it's easy, or used to be... but now, with cmkx you
find you can't even churn the volume witout losing billions of
shares as these equally stubborn retailers just keep dipping into
the churn and taking a million here and a million there... all day
long... every day...

those you do scare into selling are few and far between... at some
point you have to change your stratagy...

so even though retaillers are snaging a few percent of whatever you
churn, you churn more, create lots of new naked short shares but
also you are trying to buy them with your other hand to hold as
long...

double short / double cover? i'm not sure of that... to cellar box
cmkx might have taken 10 hedge funds a billion shares each to get
cmkx to .0001... there is no way to know what the original shorts
amounted to...

over time though, as we retaillers found cmkx it took a hundred
billion more naked shares to keep it cellar boxed... and another 100
billion and another... or so it seems from what i can tell (not much
really, all circumstantial at best...) but that said cmkx float
looks like it's 400 billion or maybe 800 billion....

it also looks like cmkx didn't issue anything near these amounts...
we'll see some day, but this is my firm belief...

anyway...

now cmkx naked shorters find themselves sitting on hundreds of
billions of shares that they issued...

the "short cmkx into the ground" party the nns'ers have been playing
got so out of control that i am sure no players were really aware of
how deep they were, collectively, in...

stockgate worked so well they were all drunk on their illegal
profits... i can imagine them looking at a 100 billion short share
position on their books and saying "holy S&^%" that's a lot! then
busting out in laughter till their eyes watered... "we'll make a
fortune!" "we are DA MAN!" etc etc...

what they probably didn't realize was that lots of fellow scamming
hedge funds also had a hundred billion naked short cmkx shares on
their books...

what they surely didn't see was that cmkx would beat them at their
own game...

at least until roger glen... but by then it was too late...

ok so now cmkx naked shorters want out...

i can see them deciding "ok, we have a 100 billion shares to buy,
short another 10% of that amount and buy them with your left hand...
we'll hold both sides of this transaction and use dogleg trades to
cover some of the cost... maybe they shorted another 100% or 200% i
don't know... but i can imagine creating swings with some control
and selling a billion cmkx shares i hold long with my left hand and
by doing so cause a nice "dip" to start...

when the dip looks bottomed i try like heck to buy as much as
possible without driving the pps up too fast...

i can cover my new 10 more % naked shorts at a nice profit and by
repeating this process enough times i can eventually cover my entire
nns position at some pps or another... all on the backs of retail
buyers and sellers i.e. by using their money to do it...

with cmkx turning "real" once that is known as a fact cmkx pps will
pop to some level that reflects that "fact" once that happens
nothing will be able to push it into the cellar again... this is
important to understand...

a hundred billion naked short position is only managable by a hedge
fund if it's sub-sub-penny

... see how this just gets longer and longer as i try and include
only a few of the possible scenarios...

shifting gears again... remember the .0001 sale of 500 some million
shares awhile ago while the bid/ask never left .0003 / .0004?

what was that about?

(lol it's so easy to drift with all this... so many varaibles that
are important i find it hard to formulate... anyway i just deleted a
half dozen paragraphs here that seem to be trying to lead me into
major drifting... so i'll post this fwiw and try and refocus and add
later...

junk
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CHIAVEILLI99:
Junk, I like it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have one
question though. How can they cover when no one is selling? The
entire theory makes sense except for this.

If the price was running up and down in a pattern like 6 to 3 to 5
to 2 to 4 to 1 then I would agree with you wholeheartedly, but based
on 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 I
would say the MM's (or whoever) are making absolutely no effort to
cover CMKX.

Help me understand how this can work if noone is selling and the
MM's aren't doing anything to make people more likely to sell (we
both know holding it down isn't scareing anyone)? TIA
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BY MARLEY:
George,

What I hear from Junk is the NSers have a naked short position of
let's say 100 billion shares. Although they tried like hell, they
can't get the shares from us longs so they naked short sell 10
billion shares to themselves. Now they have a short of 110 billion
and a long position of 10 billion. They let the stock PPS go and
wait until they think the run has peaked. Say the price is .10. Then
they quickly sell the 10 billion shares for .10, .09, .08 and
because they have so many shares to sell they influence how much the
price drops. Maybe it drops to .005 before it starts to pick up
again. The NSers would buy back the 10 billion plus (maybe 20
billion) before they use up all the cash they got from the sales
at .10, .09, .08. They had a net gain of 10 billion shares. They
keep doing this all the way up using the peaks until they can
eliminate the naked short.

What junk is saying is that the Government may have stepped in and
told the NSers "you can't sell NSS to yourself. You have to reverse
those transactions. This way they don't have the opportunity to
influence the market and get out of the squeeze without buying all
the shares they originally shorted.

Hope this is what you're saying, Junk.

John
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thx marley, this is exactly right.

junk
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by cyrano700:
OK junkyard, I'm going to try and give an example that might explain
what you are saying. Hopefully this is correct, if not, please tell
me I'm out of my mind

Let's look at a shorter with 2 seperate accounts.

Account 1 is the naked short account.
Account 2 is the covering assist account.

The initial NSS are sold out of account 1, lets say 100 shares.

Now, as they see a problem and attempt to cover, they NSS 100 again
out of account 1, but buy them into account 2. So the accounts look
like this:

Acct 1............................Acct 2
-200..............................+100 (these are similar to the
shares you and I would have bought)

Now, when the pps runs up they sell from Acct 2 as the price rises.
They take that profit and wait for the pps to drop again. At this
point they can buy more shares to cover account 1. This works
because they use the profit from the sale of Account 2 shares to
increase the covering potential for account 1.

This may take many iterations, but eventually they can fully cover
Account 1.

I think, in simplified terms, this is what you are saying.

Cyrano -
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cyrano, yes. thx

junk
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by stockrich:
George made a statement earlier on a thread where he said "Explain
it to me like I'm a 10 year old".

I think the problem George is having with everyones analysis is; the
confusion between perpetuating a short vs. retiring one. The idea of
creating a "new short" to replace an "old short" [even if that is in
fact possible, it doesn't change the fact that the short still
exists.]

Some of these concept's are coming across like...if you put out a
short at .0001, and then the stock goes to .001 (10X) , now you can
retire 10 shares at .0001...but there's still no underlying
security. So the question becomes "Where is the real stock?"
(Where's the beef?)

Look at regular brokerage acct. shorting...you don't replace the
cost of the stock as much as you replace the amount of stock. You
borrow 100 shares, you owe 100 shares [whether the price has fallen
or gone through the roof].

So, if MMs are able to perpetuate this situation through tricks and
schemes, that's fine, but let it be known, no cover has occured.

Borrowing time and confusing the market, doesn't create a share of
stock, where there wasn't one before.
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by GeorgeBurns:
There are two ways to "cover" a naked short share.

1. Buy the naked short share back and delete it.
2. Buy the real share and deliver to the naked short share.

If someone can prove otherwise. I will buy them a pizza and have it
delivered to their home.
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by Canuck:
In 2 sentences you explained what it took Sterling 3 pages to do....
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while no simple explanation is enough to clearly see the morass the
scammers have gotten themselves into marley and cyrano have summed
it up much better them myself. thx guys!

there are lots of little things that point to this being the case
currently. the sec / dtc / roger etc are disarming the scammers
leaving them to solve this problem honestly... they will have to
compete for shares just like you and i...

gotta go sleep...

glta! keep as you watch this story unfold.

junk
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by battlestar:
George what Marley wrote seems to be comprehendable to me...
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great posts guys, very interesting
to wrap it up in a nut shell, here's the deal

roger has sec watching over dtc so all divys issued are the real
ucad shares and not just a marker or fake shares being put into our
accounts. this is why ucad's volume went bolistic. now a 3 for 1
split and here we go again. roger is not letting the dtc turn there
heads anymore when it comes to these thieves. folks this is the real
deal and we have front row seats. man i love this!
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BY CANUCK:
EUREKA!

I know have clarity on "double short to double cover"! I just got
that feeling that you get when one of those blurry "5-d" pictures
comes into focus...



gb, that pizza will never be won because junk is saying that the
mm's are using your option #1 above.



Here is the piece I was not understanding... For ex. here's one with
small numbers...

For a year NITE and JEFF have sold NSS to cellar box CMKX, let's say
2b shares, the story unfolds as we've watched (jv's, minerals,
lawyers, money, div's)....and now they have to cover...

1)JEFF calls NITE, asks to buy 200m shares....

2)NITE says here's your 200m shares, and never delivers the
underlying certificates. Much like they did with the 2b retail
shares that started the story.

3)NITE and JEFF now have 200m NS shares in their inventory (I say
their because collusion between MM's is what makes this process
work). They are "long" on those shares... meaning they are "waiting"
for the price to go up to sell half the new 200m NSS (100m at .10
for a profit of $10m). I say "waiting" because they are going to
sell 200m back and forth to each other at increasing prices, until
they reach their target. Since they are colluding, and nearly joint-
owned, they never actually pay each other for the transactions, and
the reason for selling only half will be explained in #5.

4)NITE and JEFF perform #3, and now have $10m, and 100m NSS in their
hands. and there is 2b, and 100m NSS in the market. (two separate
short positions)

5)They start to trade that left over 100m back and forth between
each other and slowly work the price back down to say .005. It
works, and people sell because the investor hears on the boards here
that the AS was increased by 300b, and the daily volume is 20b+, so
the investor thinks... MASSIVE DILUTION BY THE COMPANY, and wants to
get out!

6)The price drops and drops, and at .005 they take that $10m they
have in profit and buy back 2b shares from the public. These
investors are panicked and just want to get money out of this
steadily dropping "POS" called CMKX.

Now the 2b is covered, and NITE and JEFF have not spent a penny.
They just use the 100m left over to do this again to get the other
100m and can do this at a much lower pps, and go on their way after
deleting the 200m... the public has been scammed, and then paid to
get the scammers out of the scam.

Short #1 was to retailers to cellar box CMKX, and drive them into
bankruptcy. Short #2 was created by selling the long inventory
(at .10) to create cash for the mm's to use....after the above game
is run (however many times they need to according to the size of the
#1 short position) all NSS is bought back. "Double covering" both
the first cellar box retail NS, and the second "long inventory" NS.

Junk, I think, is saying that the fed will in his example, prevent
them from creating that long inventory.

Stop them from selling NSS to themselves.

That is how their "tools" are removed, leveling the playing field
and forcing them to compete for shares just like us.

Now that was an extremely quick result producing example, but I
think they could do the same thing at an excruciatingly slow pace
using the fifth decimal trades... JMO

Anyway, that's how I understand it... until proven otherwise. Thanks
junk.
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