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Re: Grande25 post# 35841

Tuesday, 07/28/2009 1:58:27 PM

Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:58:27 PM

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Let’s look at your scenario – and congrats for taking the risk and putting one forward.

There it goes: Luiten's connections and reputation gain good faith loans/grants that allow full production by EFY 2010. Names like Pickens, BP, Obama, Ineos, etc are announced in support. Contract base grows in volume and agreement announcements between Zenergy and major distributors (Costco, Flying-J, Walmart, etc) are announced. Immediate investor confidence and a soaring PPS based on tangible business agreements to deliver high demand low cost energy source.

Good Faith Loans to make this work: So,
1. somebody is going to give (loan) Zenergy a lot of money.
2. Zenergy will build biofuel and biodiesel production facilities?
3. Then, Zenergy has fuel to sell, Costco & Walmart (and others ) will buy and make profit for Zenergy.
4. Immediate investor confidence and soaring PPS result from signed contracts

The scenario hinges on “somebody” gives a loan – the plan never gets started unless this happens – right?

First, people who “give loans” usually want to get their money back –with interest. They all want control because they feel they are the best stewards of their money. That begs the question – why would Zenergy go public and bring a lot of stockholders into the mess for no reason? They wouldn’t. Angels and VCs don’t like stockholders and would look for other companies without the complications, better payback, and control. I can supply cites if you want to explore this point further.

Second, I posted about 200 biofuel companies (From ADM to Podunk) who have been actually IN the biofuels business – most for three years or longer. There is no shortage of well-managed companies with a plan to make money out there. So, why Zenergy? You will probably cite Luiten’s experience. It’s good, but doesn’t fit. He has done nothing to produce biofuel since leaving INEOS, The division he ran there produced phenol – not biofuel. And, he has not shown any capability to harness old contacts or work without INEOS billions to back him up. I have worked as management in billion dollar companies – doesn’t mean I can make one!

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So, what’s the big deal if I see problems and you see opportunity? Isn’t there room for both views? It’s a free country still – OOOPS, that might be a problem.