Don't sweat it u guys, u will get ur due. I wish I had some P's, 2 rich 4 my blood. I have lehcq's and bunch a DQ's. I cannot fathom that trusts and preferrds will get nothing. Take the C's and D's. At full face, they are 225mil and 250mil. Think of the cash on hand and selling off their debt. At 10% of face that's bout 50mil, pennies, no pun intended, with what kinda cash and $ they'll have 4 creditors. U may not get $200 per share, but man to get 25-50 4 what u paid 4 'em, I'd be happy. Hell I'll take 5cents on the dollar 4 C's and D's. Wanna make sum loot, check out EXPH, no lehman, but will b a $ maker, imo, let it take ur mind off these 4 a while, cuz its gonna b a long while, but Your time is gonna come...Jimmy Page