Grumps, my average is 5 times todays close. I have been "not so high" on this stock for awhile, I just don't say anything. There was a lot of pumping and excitement a few months ago and SSWH putting Nascar rims on thier webpage didn't help. At the time, noone "in the know" was pointing out that this would all take place in months. Yes, near the end , when the PPS started dropping, it was mentioned that it would be a "end of summer" thing. The way the company handled the website and the poor PR's they released started to make me feel that they were a bit "bozo-ish" and that maybe all the nascar and huge auto manufacuring contracts were just dreams on the part of Paul and Jerry. I may be very, very wrong but time will tell. I will hold until December either way. If I am wrong I will make money, if not, I will have a write off. The PPS isn't worth selling for right now.