Wow ! Docrew0 is diligent researcher. Excellent piece.
Posted by: docrew0 Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:25:54 PM
In reply to: A deleted message Post # of 9770
Re: third world companies with no way to get a handle on the truth
No need for PUMPER name-calling. That's just it |"bingo"| some of us have a handle on the partners. When a partner has a detailed history and expertise in waste management/containment liners and publishes their involvement with WTWO W2 Energy plus acknowledges the deal, "The agreement [with W2 Energy] has just been signed." Source Cobal Chile S.A. It's pretty much in the bag.
Securing purchase orders is exactly what we're supporting, how don’t you guys get that? Good luck with your position just the same.
Interview Jorge Reyes, Research and development director, Cobal Chile below
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Interviews Water & Waste / Perspectives
Jorge Reyes Research and development director/Cobal Chile
By Eva Medalla
The transformation of solid waste into energy can help alleviate pollution. But the lack of energy resources in certain parts of the region has also turned waste-to-energy into an attractive business that's just beginning to bloom in Latin America.
BNamericas spoke with Jorge Reyes, research and development director of Combustibles Alternativos Chile (Cobal Chile), to learn about the benefits of using waste for fuel production, and about some of the projects the firm is working on both in Chile and abroad.
BNamericas: Toronto-based green energy company W2 Energy has just announced a joint venture with Cobal Chile for the construction of two plants to produce energy by treating waste. Are you planning on expanding to the rest of the region?
Reyes: Yes, that is something we are always looking into. We already have offices in Argentina, Guatemala and the US, aside from our headquarters in Chile.
The agreement [with W2 Energy] has just been signed. But we would rather not mention where the plants will be built, as we are still in negotiations for the acquisition of the land.
BNamericas: Are you working on any similar projects here in Chile?
Reyes: We are waiting for the arrival of funds to launch a project here in Chile. The initiative has already been approved and everything is ready. A new company was created, Novahol Santiago Norte, and we are awaiting the arrival of the funds to kick off the project. That is already defined. It is an investment of about US$200mn. It would be our first plant as members of this new society, created especially for this project.
Cobal handles all of this technology and we have agreements through which we seek the best technology according to the raw materials available. So, it is up to the type of raw material and the quantity that is available.
In this project, we are talking about solid waste, and in both cases [with W2 Energy] they are solid waste, but we do not use the solid waste as such. Instead, we obtain from the waste the materials needed.
We separate part [of the waste] and the part that is used is just like having soy or sugar cane. It is in the same category, as they are all organic waste. It is everything that is not metal or silicate, which is not transformable. Everything else is transformable.
BNamericas: And so, you avoid using food for the production of biofuels?
Reyes: Certainly. That way, we have sought an energy that is much more efficient from the point of view of not focusing only on seeds that leads to increases in food [prices], which have been tremendous. [The prices of] corn and soy have increased immensely. Generally, if corn increases, for instance, other foods increase, as even though they are not used as fuels, they become substitutes for those that are, so their price also increases.
Instead, we seek to offer the technologies that best use renewable raw materials. For us, waste is a renewable raw material because it is generated day to day, whether you like it or not. The country can be in a recession or in an economic boom and waste is generated anyway.
From this point of view, they are renewable resources to us. The lumber industry is also renewable, because instead of producing cellulose, it could produce fuel, for instance. What interests us is biomass, the raw material. So, we look to where we can obtain raw materials in large quantities.
BNamericas: In the case of the Santiago Norte plant, what kind of raw material will you be using?
Reyes: We will be using materials obtained from solid waste. We will use about 1,500t/day of raw waste. That is a lot.
BNamericas: Do you know the amount of energy the plant will produce?
Reyes: Of course. That is absolutely predetermined. The plant will produce about 91Ml of fuel [per year], which will probably be synthetic diesel.
BNamericas: That's a lot, right?
Reyes: That amount of production is high, but it still is not nearly enough.
BNamericas: It's just that sometimes you hear the authorities or investors say that the production of energy from waste is not sufficient.
Reyes: That's because it is not sufficient. The amount of waste is limited. If we could turn all waste into energy, it would still not be enough. It is necessary to have renewable resources. And this includes forestry resources, creating new plantations, like they do in Sweden. In Europe, there are re-forestry programs of 600,000ha-700,000ha to use for future biomass. This is always thought of as renewable resources.
This means you start from one end of the forest and 15 years later, when you are reaching the other end, the trees are already growing behind you. You obtain and recover. The forest feeds from the CO2 generated, so emissions are neutralized.
So, you reduce CO2 emissions and oil consumption.
BNamericas: Many say that the greater use of these technologies will lead to further research and development to improve them. Do you agree with that?
Reyes: But the technology is already there. Maybe its efficiency can be improved, but it is already there. We're just starting. There is no other plant in South America like the one we will build. Other large gasifying plants that produce fuel function using coal, which is also transformable into fuel.
But, for instance, these two plants to be built with W2 Energy will produce 200b/day of fuel and 20MWh of electricity. The focus of these plants will probably be more towards the production of electricity rather than fuels, aside from the fact that 200b of fuel is a lot. But 20MWh is a huge amount, and it will be easy to enter that energy into any interconnected system, no matter which country it is generated in.
The investments for these plants are high. The final investment will depend on the raw materials to be used, their available tonnage and their supply.
I think it's important to point out that the plants installed either here or in the other countries where we have operations, will follow the Chilean environmental impact evaluation system, which will allow us to maintain a high-quality environmental protection standard wherever we operate.
By Eva Medalla
See post 9676 and post 9664 below
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Re: Cobal Chile S.A.
"No proof whatsoever that this Cobal company ever existed before these PR's"
LOL Interesting, I guess you assumed no one would bother to do the due diligence and look into the principals behind Cobal Chile S.A. check their qualifications, associations and history. Not so!
Jorge Octavio Reyes Jiménez
Jorge Reyes is a well-seasoned developer of solid waste treatment plants and other projects needing protective containment liners. He has been involved in several ventures that just miraculously pop up in google i.e. Inversiones Los Guindos, Ingenieria y Proyectos IGS Chile.S.A., ECOBAS, TECNOLOGIAS Y PROGRAMAS AMBIENTALES S.A., Novahol Santiago Norte, International Plasma Sales Group - IPSG and Cobal Chile S.A..
Cobal Chile S.A is a family owned company and Jorge Reyes works with his sons. Hardly a creation of imagination and they're what I would view as the ideal WTWO W2 Energy partner considering the work they specialize in and the regions they service. Chile, Argentina, Guatemala and the US.
Archived photos from www.igschile.cl
Here is a little publication I'm sure you'll likely fail to spot. Link IGS Chile, Ltda. PDF (See IGS president Jorge Reyes)
In my estimation you haven’t looked or you might have found something.
As for Techno Junk and Grey Matter you're really scratching at an old well-worn topic that has been verified. A letter of intent was issued but the underlying bioSAFE PROPOSAL was not implemented by government officials. Techno Junk and Grey Matter 50 Wainoni Road, Christchurch, New Zealand
Its getting a little late to be giving these tutorials to those who won't bother to research these topics for themselves. In fact you're wasting my time. Good luck with your position just the same. I think your going to need it if you're this upside-down on your research. JMHO :- )
As always JMHO
Docrew
Do the Due, this is not an endorsement to buy! Lets keep it real!! Good luck to all
AI
