To blame anyone on this board for this stocks price problems is just plain silly. Ray and Brad's "deals" for funding are at the core of the selling. If I was going to make a stock buying decision, I would want to hear both sides of the story. Most minds are equipped with a analytical reasoning function called logic to make a prudent investment decision. This was a penny stock to begin with and now its a penny stock again, er, sub-penny. I believe this is the wild west territory of investments. Ray and Brad set the image for the company and "admit it", they have not done a good job. The SIL loan was a debacle and questionable. These sweetheart deals that benefit everybody but the small investors, or the company directly, (except Ray and maybe Brad), (IMHO). Salaries and bonuses hardly miss a beat, but money for producing shippable product never seems to be there. Come on, the mm and those loaning the company money have fixed the share price, not any bashers. Chipwa1