Well I wouldn't go so far as to call it a 'given' I prefer to show the historical facts as in Table A in the iBox. Which I desperately need to update with a current PPS and some symbol changes LOL Let's just say the odds are probably strongly against buy/hold working out for Yorkville client traders. I may also add a Table D which will be comprised of the 5 or so Yorkville clients whose PPS is in the green since their first YA financing. jonesie