these two are from associates forum with some good ta. <A HREF="http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.web?c=bsic" target="_new">http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.web?c=bsic</A> bsic <A HREF="http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.web?c=garm" target="_new">http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/SC.web?c=garm</A> garm