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Re: punkle post# 224109

Sunday, 03/28/2004 11:49:53 PM

Sunday, March 28, 2004 11:49:53 PM

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Don't think so. America still pumps tons of dollars into R&D and continues to lead in the idea generation department.

bah. you're deceiving yourself if you believe this. speaking of eda, look at the number of successful eda companies and startups, look at the numbers started by indian immigrants (say like 1/3 to 1/2) and then ask: why did they start these in the u.s.? as i said, right now you're at an advantage because mature brain power has been drained from these countries in the 80's and 90's. but going forward? why should they remain drones to american companies when they can set up shop for themselves and compete head-to-head?

All I'm saying is may the best team win and if we're not the best team right now, retool to figure out how we can be the best team again. How can we provide a better service at the same or lower costs? I don't have a silver bullet for that but have thought about a few different things.

you can't if labor and living costs are cheaper elsewhere. the only difference is talent and skill, and the u.s. has no monopoly on that. on the contrary, as my dad would point out, american students in engineering have almost never gone on to grad school. that is, unless they can get into one of the top 3 or 5 schools, its always been better to go off and get a job. all of the other grad programs are dominated by indian, chinese and korean students. who now can't get employment in the u.s. we've trained an entire generation of folks who are ready to go back and do what you think they can't do: compete with us on an idea basis.

anyway, i think its a fallacy to think that by outsourcing you're just doing what's natural to improve productivity. sure you're doing that, but you're also training your future competition. think of the early days, and how microsoft ursurped ibm's position. you're locking in your dependence on outsourcing (since you can only lower prices in the future), and its only a question of time before you can't compete with a native competitor.

America still pumps tons of dollars into R&D and continues to lead in the idea generation department.

so why do i say "bah!" here? r&d nowadays includes just play old product development at places like msft. ibm has done some interesting stuff. but look at the death of great r&d centers here in the u.s. like bell labs. even microsoft research has become a retirement community for aging academics who have little left to do other than critique and pontificate.

there's only one place where great new "ideas" are being explored in software now, and thats in the open source community. if there is anything like "great new ideas" anymore: much of what remains is incremental improvement.
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