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Re: valorie post# 11697

Saturday, 02/02/2008 1:07:50 PM

Saturday, February 02, 2008 1:07:50 PM

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GM Valorie. So I guess that loving your enemy stuff really isn't what it's all about.

People can love others while not putting up with their sin.
Do you think your Mother didn't love you when she told you it was wrong to do something?

Or did she do it out of love?

Does scripture not state in Matthew about God loving us through discipline like we love our own son?



And we're going to march in the streets over that sin of gay rights instead of praying for the deliverance of homosexuality?

Yes. We pray for deliverence. But in the meantime do nothing?Christians need to wake up to march in every city across the US. We are going to pray before, during, and after marching. Prayer is the foundation before, during, and after taking action. History tells us not enough action was taken when Gods morals, values, were taken out of our schools long ago.
This article is a by product of that event.

Separation of church and state is only convenient when politicians aren't campaigning in our churches.
After the election is done they will go back to following the law.



The same thing happened with abortion years back. People stormed into the doctor's office and chained themselves to tables, Brought aborted fetuses to church and held them up with that all might see the sin of the world until finally we begin to blow up doctors to find snipers to shoot them and all in the legalization of murder we became the murderers! What a fiasco!


What kind of leaders did you have that led those marches?
They conformed to the WORLDS way of trying to make a point.
Why would we do the same?
That HATE distorts the MESSAGE!

Why would I get on a message board proclaiming we need to go march in the streets in every city in the US without laying down guidelines to do it in a RESPECTFUL way?

This isn't a HATE movement.
It is a we are going to show our strength in numbers movement stating we have had enough.

What you have done is take my post and read it through a worldly viewpoint to come up with your reply.

I agree with you it was done wrong in the past.
Because it was done wrong with HATE not love as the motive in many cases you have the results you do.

In this politically correct world we live in people think LOVE does not involve changes that may offend.
Not in my world. Christians have done nothing long enough.

Do we expect God to hear our prayers then have him say OK I'll move my magic wand to make everything OK?
Or is God going to say yes I'll go with you but you must do more then sit there.

Let me give you an example of what I'd do if I had the opportunity to to organize a march.

1. All churches would march together.
Can you even begin to imagine what would happen?
Thousands and thousands of Christians marching PEACEFULLY not breaking laws. Respecting property and people as they do it.

2. Unlike other groups we'd do it during the time of day where it would effect traffic the least. You don't need to stop traffic in order to get the media there. They will come.
When the media sees people marching peacefully, joyfully, stopping for prayer, singing, they will not be able to report anything but a group of people stating we are not going to sit back while you force your gay lifestyle on our kids.

3. Signs that are respectful. Every church in the movement sign a covenant about what their sign will say. You run into problems when you have people trying to make a name for themselves taking advantage of a situation involving the media.

4. May be do it in the parks instead of the streets so we don't hurt businesses.

Signs need to be to the point.
Mom and Dad will not be taken out of our schools!
Families MATTER!
Family Values since the beginning of time!
Christian lifestyle? Country founded on it!

Do you see hate in those?
Or are we sending a message that we have had enough?

To sum up an reply to the rest of your post......
I have read my Bible. Yep. I'm no scholar. Yep.

But I do know time after time God went out with ARMIES to defeat societies who were doing God wrong.
Some of those fights were about lifestyle issues.

God is not a God that is afraid to go to war.

War of HATE is not what I'm asking here.

I'm asking a show of STRENGTH of BELIEFS! MORALS! VALUES!

Have you studied how the gay movement has come about?
They are very smart people. They got people into office.
They got their groups together showing strength in numbers.

Do you know why Ford and other organizations advertise in their magazines? It's all about the $$$$$$$$$$$.
Ford is one of the organizations AFA is boycotting.
Have you looked at Fords #'s lately?

Fact is history shows laws, amendments, policies, time after time are changed not because of whether or not something is right or wrong but because of money and political careers.

When Christians realize how the game is played and realize just praying behind the walls of their homes and churches is not enough, then, and only then, will the politicians realize we have woken up.

Because of our numbers we have huge political and economy power, only when it is used.

That power has been doing very little for years as we have conformed to this idea we can just go to the polls, pray, and thats all we do.

I guarantee you PEACEFUL LOVING Marches in HUGE numbers across this great land of ours would wake up the California's of this world and they would change their policies back to the ones that HONOR GOD!

History shows time and time again through organizations like AFA pressure WORKS!

I participate with them sending emails to the causes and many times victory has come once the politician saw the strength in numbers.

History doesn't lie.
God time and time again sent out armies to change things.

We don't need to go in that way now.
We do need to STAND UP and be noticed.

Get out from behind our Churches and be noticed.

Otherwise these groups will continue to find their agendas to be accepted because no one is saying NO loud enough.

Now I know my marching peacefully and all this is just a fantasy because most want to hide in the safety of their homes and churches. But I refuse to hide.

What do non Christians think. Do they ever ask themselves where are the Christians? NO!
Because they must think we accept this happening to our schools because we don't stand up to it.

That is NOT the message I want to send but that CLEARLY is the OVERALL message the Church of today is sending

I've had enough.

I'll bet my LIFE God has also!


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