"you've repeatedly stated you do not believe the refinery will generate revenues" No, I have not ever said that. I do believe the refinery will never generate PROFITS. Do you? I don't even think they can generate enough revenue to cover raw materials, much less "management fees" and other overhead that undoubtedly exists. GLTY. BTW, any update as to the status of your website and your service ending date for PHGI? Regards.