bb-it's hard to explain murreymath briefly but these links explain it fully--i ordered the book which turned out to be 2 books[one text-the other charts]-a very hard read but very informative--murrey goes one step farther than gann-there is murrey's software-and then there is freeware too-but both you have to have a data feed from qcharts[$75 plus a month]i just chart my own for now <A HREF="http://home.flash.net/~blhill/pages.aux/murrey/TKnotes.1.html" target="_new">http://home.flash.net/~blhill/pages.aux/murrey/TKnotes.1.html</A> <A HREF="http://www.enthios.com/trading/murray_math.htm" target="_new">http://www.enthios.com/trading/murray_math.htm</A> <A HREF="http://home.flash.net/~blhill/pages/murrey.html" target="_new">http://home.flash.net/~blhill/pages/murrey.html</A> <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mmxapp/" target="_new">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mmxapp/</A>