OT Hi Alan .I don't have the PM available to me .today playing at home here ,where we live .It's 18 holes par 3's . But a tough challenge . you can reach me via e-mail Creulein4233@cs.com ,I will then give you my home tel # . I can take you out as my guest .We walk it .Takes about 2 hrs to play . Let me know . The Meadows is a great GC .On #5 ,if you go out of bounds on the left ,don't chase your ball .There is stinging nettle there .They should warn you before you go out .Enjoy the course . Again ,let me know if you want to play here ,about a 15 min ride from the Meadows north .