Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[seabass]

>>>I dont understand your logic........Lets take a guy who drinks a fifth of whiskey every night and smokes 2 packs a day and has done so for 30 years. Where in the Constitution does it say it is now the Governments problem? (Our problem)<<<


I don't understand your logic either. Applying it to the chain smoking drunk you mentioned, you have no problem with him getting government supplied fire rescue after he passes out with one of his cigarettes and puts his house on fire but a model citizen who gets run over by a bus better have private insurance or deserves to be destroyed.


>>>If and when they mandate social medicine, they will also mandate personal behavior.<<<


Nonsense. Ask any foreigner who's part of a national health care system if they're forced to do anything in order to receive care and you'll have your answer. Maybe you're confusing mandates with suggestions which we already have here.

President Bush Highlights Health and Fitness Initiative

Listen, we're here to talk about a health care plan that makes a lot of sense. And it's a health care plan that says if you exercise and eat healthy food, you will live longer.

And what works is to encourage people to exercise on a regular basis, and to eat good foods. It's called preventative medicine. An integral part of any health care plan is to encourage people to adopt the habits necessary to avoid disease in the first place.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030718-6.html


>>>Socialized Medicine will make your body property of the State. They will determine what is a "legitimate" treatment and what is not. Your choices in treatment will be limited. You will be told what you can eat and what activities you can participate in. Basically they will hold a gun to your head and demand that if you dont do X, Y, and Z you will go to the back of the line.<<<


You're grossly misinformed as anyone who's actually participating in "socialized medicine" will tell you.


>>>Comparing Law enforcement to health care is a bogus argument.<<<


Not if you view it through a wider lens. The role of law enforcement is to help maintain a civilized society which if you think about it becomes a role of the health care system too. Is a society where 50% of all personal bankruptcies are due to medical bills civilized? People who get wiped out financially especially through no fault of their own also get wiped out mentally. A couple of weeks ago a man who owed hospitals close to $1/2 million over his sick wife threw her off the balcony from the seventh floor.

Financial ruin creates desperate people and a society littered with desperate people is neither civilized nor smart imo.